[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from CCWG Auction Proceeds call on Thursday, 21 September 2017
michelle.desmyter at icann.org
Thu Sep 21 18:39:27 UTC 2017
Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the CCWG Auction Proceeds call held on Thursday, 21 September 2017 at 14:00 UTC.
AC Recording: https://participate.icann.org/p5517zrzqyj/
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Adobe Connect chat transcript for Thursday, 21 September 2017
Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the CCWG New gTLD Auction Proceeds call on Thursday 21 September 2017 at 14:00 UTC.
Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_a2zwAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=9nep3Dp9sv2oErzwuSG2Bn7pb6eNjVOaWbKlq6iaHlE&s=mA3ntX_DCq_ZdvFr6-Bs_HXAX5cWlsYOeHk70nUr5Y8&e=
Kavouss Arasteh:HI Erika
Kavouss Arasteh:Hi MIchelle
Erika Mann:Hi Kavouss, nice seeing you!
Erika Mann:Hi ladies, can we check whether my audion functions are working?
Michelle DeSmyter:Hi there Erika - the operator will be dialing you momentarily
Erika Mann:Okay Michelle!
Erika Mann:Did you notice that Anthony (Tony) Harris needs to be dialed into the call today as well
Kavouss Arasteh:My number is 00971 2656 0000 room 1505
Kavouss Arasteh:I am not in Geneva
Kavouss Arasteh:Pls kindly do not dial my standard no. Kindly dial the number given
Michelle DeSmyter:thank you Kavouss - I just sent you a private chat
Julf Helsingius:I will be listen and type only today.
Erika Mann:Hi Julf - saw your note, if we miss seeing your comments, please let us know!
Julf Helsingius:Thanks, will do, Erika!
Kavouss Arasteh:Marika, pls kindly read your mail and advise another dial up
Julf Helsingius:I am at a funky residential makerspace in Turin
Kavouss Arasteh:the new no. is 00971 2656 0000 ROOM 1505
Michelle DeSmyter:thank you Kavouss - the operator is dialing you now
Marika Konings:For future reference, please make sure to send any dial-out requests to gnso-secs at icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>ahead of the meeting so these can be set up ahead of time.
Marika Konings:Please remember to mute your phones when not speaking
Manal Ismail:I hear everyone very faint .. is it just me ?
Julf Helsingius:Sounds fine here
Marika Konings:There appears to be an open microphone - please mute when not speaking
Michelle DeSmyter:Manal -if you need a dial out, please let me know
Manal Ismail:@Julf thanks ..
Hadia Elminiawi:Hello all
Manal Ismail:ok thanks Michelle .. will do some trials and let you know if I need a dial out ..
Daniel Dardailler:I'm not clear if what I've done on the examples is right, that is, comment in the columns B C D using my initials e.g. DD:
Erika Mann:Xavier - I see you joined the call. We understood that you couldn't be with us today, we therefore moved point 3) to our next call.
Xavier Calvez:Erika, thank you. I can only listen and will not be able to stay until the end of the call.
enoss:this is the most important part of the early work and really requires a couple of hours of time to sit down and deal with. MORE TIME PLEASE! :-)
enoss:google docs are much better, particularly for a shared exercise like this
MarilynCade:In the BC, we always provide both, at the same time.
enoss:anyone can go into the google doc and export a word version
Kavouss Arasteh:I wish to have wrord doc. as I have difficulties to download Google doc.
Kavouss Arasteh:Sorry word
Daniel Dardailler:One reason for not getting more reactions on the examples is that the editing process is not clear
Daniel Dardailler:people may be afraid of messing up something, etc
Daniel Dardailler:I think we need a clear guidane at the top on how to add comments, suggestions,etc
MarilynCade:Ask for full names, plese, not initials, and no anonymous comments, right?
Hadia Elminiawi:I think word or google doc is better than a survey
Wale Bakare:Hi all, apologies for joining late
Daniel Dardailler:Marylin: agreed, initials are not very helpful, I've just done that in the interest of space in the page, but if lots of folks are going to insert data, space is not a real issue to fight for
Marika Konings:There is a notes/comments column that would allow for that?
enoss:@marika I was thinking of something more explicit. I thought of that, but that column I saw as being used for identifying questions or nuance
Marika Konings:I think people can use it for anything they want :-)
Daniel Dardailler:(I changed my DD: into real name)
enoss:the things I am looking to unearth with this is to see places where conformance with mission is not crystal clear, but desirability is high. these are the places to naturally push further on
Daniel Dardailler:I withdraw my request for more guidance, I hadn't seen the mention right before the table
Daniel Dardailler:maybe the table should go (with it's initial comment on addition/response) at the top and the mission after
Marika Konings:what would be a reasonable deadline for the CCWG to provide its input?
Daniel Dardailler:For instance, it's not clear if I am allowed to implement this idea (move the mission text after the table) or if something reserved to the "editor"
Marika Konings:I would need a bit of time to collate the input prior to the next meeting
Marika Konings:@Elliot - we can also rename the column or provide specific guidance on the kind of input that you are looking for? If you have a description, I am happy to add it.
Marika Konings:@Daniel - I'm happy to make that change, but the reason on putting it first was to make clear that people are expected to use the mission references when filling out the table
Daniel Dardailler:There are many other criteria we could consider as additional columns, like core values et commitments, internet layer applicable, commons, etc
enoss:I like something simple like "desirability" or "preferred category". anything that indicates whether this type of project is very important to the participant
MarilynCade:I would like to review the examples. From the BC perspective, for instance, examples that are about SSR and capacity building about awareness and engagement in ICANN and related events could be a high priority, but we need to consult within the 3 of the BC participants.
MarilynCade:Could we have perhaps initial comments, and then a final date?
Kavouss Arasteh:19 october
MarilynCade:but try to have some comments to discuss for next call.
enoss:the 19th feels like lots
Marika Konings:so deadline would have to be 16 Oct to give staff time to prepare prior to the meeting
Maureen Hilyard:+1 Marika - it would be good to have a tidied up version of the comments
MarilynCade:I continue to object to this group trying to define what is the Open Internet. This is a very challenging discussion. If you as members insist, then you can reference the various definitions
Daniel Dardailler:I disagree that the name Open Internet is already "owned" by NN
MarilynCade:I proposed the open and interoperable Internet. We believe in a single root for the open and interoperable Internet.
Daniel Dardailler:it's perfectly fine as a label to use for our description
MarilynCade:But, to respond, Daniel, regretably, we are affected by the media understanding.
MarilynCade:We are not at ICANN abotu the Open Internet, but about the open and interoperable Internet.
Daniel Dardailler:IMO, interoperable is a quality of being open
enoss:question for kavouss: what is very (very) sensitive? I may be missing something
Daniel Dardailler:kavous, we need a label to make references
MarilynCade:Focus on mission of ICANN. Yes. I support you, Kavouss.
Maureen Hilyard:I like Kavouss's suggestion
Daniel Dardailler:I don't support the suggestion
enoss:I do not support it either
MarilynCade:Dearest Erika. we need to be very short. Maybe only the mission and then anything else is discussion.
Wale Bakare:I don't agree with that as well. We are focusing on projects around Open Internet in a different concept not based on political motive, IMO
enoss:rather than, or in addition to, us saying we like/don't like the inclusion, I would (sincerely) like to understand what is sensitive. I feel I am missing something and don't want to be insensitive to something I am not aware of
Daniel Dardailler:kavous is not on the chat but I think the sensitivity is around net neutrality, gov surveillance, etc
Daniel Dardailler:in many countries, people are fighting for an "open internet" vs many things
Daniel Dardailler:but so what ?
enoss:@daniel, thanks. @erika, could you ask him fdirectly?
MarilynCade:I keep insisting that we are using the term open and interoperable Internet. Not the term" Open Internet".
Daniel Dardailler:Marilin, can an open internet be non -nteroperable ?
Wale Bakare:There seems misconception here
MarilynCade:I am laughing as the media does not accept the small 'n" and "captial N" and in fact the Canadian government itself is in need of your counsel, Elliot.
Erika Mann:Daniel, Elliot, neither do I but I like to avoid an endless debate about the concept of 'open Internet'
Erika Mann:... therefore I'm searching for a solution we all can agree upon
MarilynCade:Really, Eliott, you cannot help us with your Canadian government as they are quite engaged and we could use your input to them.
Daniel Dardailler:I'm lost as to why we need to mention net neutrality at all
Erika Mann:Marilyn, please talk!
Daniel Dardailler:I don't mind that we use Open Interoperable Internet vs. just Open
MarilynCade:if you do any search about Open Internet, you do not actually get a neutral statement. I did the research, using multiple search engines.
enoss:I also note I do not at all mind a disclaimer that excludes any position being taking on net neutrality in the US
Wale Bakare:Not for me
enoss:nor do I have a problem with interoperable
Ching Chiao:"The idea of an "open Internet" is the idea that the full resources of the Internet and means to operate on it should be easily accessible to all individuals, companies and organizations. This often includes ideas such as net neutrality, open standards, transparency, lack of Internet censorship, and low barriers to entry."
enoss:it is more, not less
Ching Chiao:this is from wikipedia
Maureen Hilyard:I go with open and interoperable
enoss:(that is not a bad thing)
Hadia Elminiawi:fine with open interoperable internet
Wale Bakare:Open Inter-operable internet is a good concept but Open captures all the underlined technologies including ICANN core business
Wale Bakare:I mean Open Internet captures all the underlined technologies unlimited to DNS systems
Manal Ismail:+1 Kavouss regarding 'description' not 'definition' and for the scope of this CCWG work ..
MarilynCade:I do not ntink I am an oponent. but if Jonathan joins, I will
MarilynCade:I love being a contributor.
MarilynCade:or anyone else that loves us.
Jonathan Robinson:@Erika. Important to frame the question properly so that the DT is tightly / clearly scoped
Hadia Elminiawi:can contribute as well to the preamble
Daniel Dardailler:is there a clear version of the document ? with typo/dup fixed ? the view/final still has lots of them
Manal Ismail:Happy to contribute as well ..
enoss:thats ok for me
Jonathan Robinson:THanks Marika. That's helpful. I was just keen to get it scoped for all.
Marika Konings:@Daniel - I can share a clean version together with the notes
MarilynCade:I am your hands, and look to Jonathan to convene, with Marika's help.
Marika Konings:Sorry, the schedule is locked and these were the only ones available
Marika Konings:there are a lot of other meetings that need to be planned in
Kavouss Arasteh:I am reconned to adobe
Kavouss Arasteh:I am reconned to adobe
Kavouss Arasteh:I am reconnected to adobe
Wale Bakare:Welcome Kavouss
Ching Chiao:thanks everyone!
Peter Vergote (ccNSO):Txs, bye all
Hadia Elminiawi:thank you all
Wale Bakare:thanks, bye!
Manal Ismail:Thanks everyone .. Bye ..
Maureen Hilyard:Thank you Erica and Marika
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