[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from CCWG Auction Proceeds call on Thursday, 21 September 2017

Michelle DeSmyter michelle.desmyter at icann.org
Thu Sep 21 18:39:27 UTC 2017

Dear all,

Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the CCWG Auction Proceeds call held on Thursday, 21 September 2017 at 14:00 UTC.

Mp3: https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-auction-proceeds-21sep17-en.mp3

AC Recording:   https://participate.icann.org/p5517zrzqyj/

The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:


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Michelle DeSmyter


Adobe Connect chat transcript for Thursday, 21 September 2017

 Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the CCWG New gTLD Auction Proceeds call on Thursday 21 September 2017 at 14:00 UTC.
  Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_a2zwAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=9nep3Dp9sv2oErzwuSG2Bn7pb6eNjVOaWbKlq6iaHlE&s=mA3ntX_DCq_ZdvFr6-Bs_HXAX5cWlsYOeHk70nUr5Y8&e=
  Kavouss Arasteh:HI Erika
  Kavouss Arasteh:Hi MIchelle
  Erika Mann:Hi Kavouss, nice seeing you!
  Erika Mann:Hi ladies, can we check whether my audion functions are working?
  Michelle DeSmyter:Hi there Erika - the operator will be dialing you momentarily
  Erika Mann:Okay Michelle!
  Kavouss Arasteh:Michel
  Erika Mann:Did you notice that Anthony (Tony) Harris needs to be dialed into the call today as well
  Kavouss Arasteh:My number is 00971 2656 0000 room 1505
  Kavouss Arasteh:I am not in Geneva
  Kavouss Arasteh:Pls kindly do not dial my standard no. Kindly dial the number given
  Michelle DeSmyter:thank you Kavouss - I just sent you a private chat
  Julf Helsingius:I will be listen and type only today.
  Erika Mann:Hi Julf - saw your note, if we miss seeing your comments, please let us know!
  Julf Helsingius:Thanks, will do, Erika!
  Kavouss Arasteh:Marika, pls kindly read your mail and advise another dial up
  Julf Helsingius:I am at a funky residential makerspace in Turin
  Kavouss Arasteh:the new no. is 00971 2656 0000 ROOM 1505
  Michelle DeSmyter:thank you Kavouss - the operator is dialing you now
  Michelle DeSmyter:https://participate.icann.org/newgtlds-auction
  Marika Konings:For future reference, please make sure to send any dial-out requests to gnso-secs at icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>ahead of the meeting so these can be set up ahead of time.
  Marika Konings:Please remember to mute your phones when not speaking
  Manal Ismail:I hear everyone very faint .. is it just me ?
  Julf Helsingius:Sounds fine here
  Marika Konings:There appears to be an open microphone - please mute when not speaking
  Michelle DeSmyter:Manal -if you need a dial out, please let me know
  Manal Ismail:@Julf thanks  ..
  Hadia Elminiawi:Hello all
  Manal Ismail:ok thanks Michelle .. will do some trials and let you know if I need a dial out ..
  Daniel Dardailler:I'm not clear if what I've done on the examples is right, that is, comment in the columns B C D using my initials e.g. DD:
  Erika Mann:Xavier - I see you joined the call. We understood that you couldn't be with us today, we therefore moved point 3) to our next call.
  Xavier Calvez:Erika, thank you. I can only listen and will not be able to stay until the end of the call.
  enoss:this is the most important part of the early work and really requires a couple of hours of time to sit down and deal with. MORE TIME PLEASE! :-)
  MarilynCade:Provide both.
  enoss:google docs are much better, particularly for a shared exercise like this
  MarilynCade:In the BC, we always provide both, at the same time.
  enoss:anyone can go into the google doc and export a word version
  Kavouss Arasteh:I wish to have wrord doc. as I have difficulties to download Google doc.
  Kavouss Arasteh:Sorry word
  Daniel Dardailler:One reason for not getting more reactions on the examples is that the editing process is not clear
  Daniel Dardailler:people may be afraid of messing up something, etc
  Daniel Dardailler:I think we need a clear guidane at the top on how to add comments, suggestions,etc
  MarilynCade:Ask for full names, plese, not initials, and no anonymous comments, right?
  Hadia Elminiawi:I think word or google doc is better than a survey
  Wale Bakare:Hi all, apologies for joining late
  Daniel Dardailler:Marylin: agreed, initials are not very helpful, I've just done that in the interest of space in the page, but if lots of folks are going to insert data, space is not a real issue to fight for
  Marika Konings:There is a notes/comments column that would allow for that?
  enoss:@marika I was thinking of something more explicit. I thought of that, but that column I saw as being used for identifying questions or nuance
  Marika Konings:I think people can use it for anything they want :-)
  Daniel Dardailler:(I changed my DD: into real name)
  enoss:the things I am looking to unearth with this is to see places where conformance with mission is not crystal clear, but desirability is high. these are the places to naturally push further on
  Daniel Dardailler:I withdraw my request for more guidance, I hadn't seen the mention right before the table
  Daniel Dardailler:maybe the table should go (with it's initial comment on addition/response) at the top and the mission after
  Marika Konings:what would be a reasonable deadline for the CCWG to provide its input?
  Daniel Dardailler:For instance, it's not clear if I am allowed to implement this idea (move the mission text after the table) or if something reserved to the "editor"
  Marika Konings:I would need a bit of time to collate the input prior to the next meeting
  Marika Konings:@Elliot - we can also rename the column or provide specific guidance on the kind of input that you are looking for? If you have a description, I am happy to add it.
  Marika Konings:@Daniel - I'm happy to make that change, but the reason on putting it first was to make clear that people are expected to use the mission references when filling out the table
  enoss:@erika correct
  Daniel Dardailler:There are many other criteria we could consider as additional columns, like core values et commitments, internet layer applicable, commons, etc
  enoss:I like something simple like "desirability" or "preferred category". anything that indicates whether this type of project is very important to the participant
  MarilynCade:I would like to review the examples. From the BC perspective, for instance, examples that are about SSR  and capacity building about awareness and engagement in ICANN and related events could be a high priority, but we need to consult within the 3 of the BC participants.
  MarilynCade:Could we have perhaps initial comments, and then a final date?
  Kavouss Arasteh:19 october
  MarilynCade:but try to have some comments to discuss for next call.
  enoss:the 19th feels like lots
  Marika Konings:so deadline would have to be 16 Oct to give staff time to prepare prior to the meeting
  Maureen Hilyard:+1 Marika - it would be good to have a tidied up version of the comments
  MarilynCade:I continue to object to this group trying to define what is the Open Internet. This is a very challenging discussion. If you as members insist, then you can reference the various definitions
  Daniel Dardailler:I disagree that the name Open Internet is already "owned" by NN
  MarilynCade:I proposed the open and interoperable Internet. We believe in a single root for the open and interoperable Internet.
  Daniel Dardailler:it's perfectly fine as a label to use for our description
  MarilynCade:But, to respond, Daniel, regretably, we are affected by the media understanding.
  MarilynCade:We are not at ICANN abotu the Open Internet, but about the open and interoperable Internet.
  Daniel Dardailler:IMO, interoperable is a quality of being open
  enoss:question for kavouss: what is very (very) sensitive? I may be missing something
  Daniel Dardailler:kavous, we need a label to make references
  MarilynCade:Focus on mission of ICANN. Yes. I support you, Kavouss.
  Maureen Hilyard:I like Kavouss's suggestion
  Daniel Dardailler:I don't support the suggestion
  enoss:I do not support it either
  Wale Bakare:+Daniel
  MarilynCade:Dearest Erika. we need to be very short. Maybe only the mission and then anything else is discussion.
  Wale Bakare:I don't agree with that as well. We are focusing on projects around Open Internet in a different concept not based on political motive, IMO
  enoss:rather than, or in addition to, us saying we like/don't like the inclusion, I would (sincerely) like to understand what is sensitive. I feel I am missing something and don't want to be insensitive to something I am not aware of
  Daniel Dardailler:kavous is not on the chat but I think the sensitivity is around net neutrality, gov surveillance, etc
  Daniel Dardailler:in many countries, people are fighting for an "open internet" vs many things
  Daniel Dardailler:but so what ?
  enoss:@daniel, thanks. @erika, could you ask him fdirectly?
  MarilynCade:I keep insisting that we are using the term open and interoperable Internet. Not the term" Open Internet".
  Daniel Dardailler:Marilin, can an open internet be non -nteroperable ?
  Wale Bakare:There seems misconception here
  MarilynCade:I am laughing as the media does not accept the small 'n" and "captial N" and in fact the Canadian government itself is in need of your counsel, Elliot.
  Erika Mann:Daniel, Elliot, neither do I but I like to avoid an endless debate about the concept of 'open Internet'
  Erika Mann:... therefore I'm searching for a solution we all can agree upon
  MarilynCade:Really, Eliott, you cannot help us with your Canadian government as they are quite engaged and we could use your input to them.
  Daniel Dardailler:I'm lost as to why we need to mention net neutrality at all
  Hadia Elminiawi:yes
  Erika Mann:Marilyn, please talk!
  Daniel Dardailler:I don't mind that we use Open Interoperable Internet vs. just Open
  MarilynCade:if you do any search about Open Internet, you do not actually get a neutral statement. I did the research, using multiple search engines.
  enoss:I also note I do not at all mind a disclaimer that excludes any position being taking on net neutrality in the US
  Wale Bakare:Not for me
  enoss:nor do I have a problem with interoperable
  Ching Chiao:"The idea of an "open Internet" is the idea that the full resources of the Internet and means to operate on it should be easily accessible to all individuals, companies and organizations. This often includes ideas such as net neutrality, open standards, transparency, lack of Internet censorship, and low barriers to entry."
  enoss:it is more, not less
  Ching Chiao:this is from wikipedia
  Maureen Hilyard:I go with open and interoperable
  enoss:(that is not a bad thing)
  Hadia Elminiawi:fine with open interoperable internet
  Wale Bakare:Open Inter-operable internet is a good concept but Open captures all the underlined technologies including ICANN core business
  Wale Bakare:I mean Open Internet captures all the underlined technologies unlimited to DNS systems
  Manal Ismail:+1 Kavouss regarding 'description' not 'definition' and for the scope of this CCWG work ..
  Jonathan Robinson:Yes
  MarilynCade:I do not ntink I am an oponent. but if Jonathan joins, I will
  MarilynCade:I love being a contributor.
  Jonathan Robinson:Proponent?
  MarilynCade:or anyone else that loves us.
  Jonathan Robinson:@Erika. Important to frame the question properly so that the DT is tightly / clearly scoped
  Jonathan Robinson:OK
  Hadia Elminiawi:can contribute as well to the preamble
  Daniel Dardailler:is there a clear version of the document ? with typo/dup fixed ? the view/final still has lots of them
  Manal Ismail:Happy to contribute as well ..
  enoss:thats ok for me
  Jonathan Robinson:THanks Marika. That's helpful. I was just keen to get it scoped for all.
  Marika Konings:@Daniel - I can share a clean version together with the notes
  Jonathan Robinson:Yes
  MarilynCade:I am your hands, and look to Jonathan to convene, with Marika's help.
  Marika Konings:Sorry, the schedule is locked and these were the only ones available
  Marika Konings:there are a lot of other meetings that need to be planned in
  Kavouss Arasteh:I am reconned to adobe
  Kavouss Arasteh:I am reconned to adobe
  Kavouss Arasteh:I am reconnected to adobe
  Wale Bakare:Welcome Kavouss
  enoss:thanks all
  Ching Chiao:thanks everyone!
  Peter Vergote (ccNSO):Txs, bye all
  Hadia Elminiawi:thank you all
  Wale Bakare:thanks, bye!
  Manal Ismail:Thanks everyone .. Bye ..
  Hadia Elminiawi:bye
  Maureen Hilyard:Thank you Erica and Marika

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