[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] REMINDER - Deadline Thursday, 28 May - minority statements

Wed May 27 18:13:42 UTC 2020

Thank you Elliot! I do appreciate this.

Take care,
Erika

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:54 PM elliot noss <enoss at tucows.com> wrote:

> I guess that is close enough that a further dissent it not necessary. No
> need to rehash and thanks for all your hard work!
>
> EN
>
> On May 26, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Erika Mann <erika at erikamann.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Elliot -
>
> good to hear from you!
>
> I believe we have taken your concerns into consideration and have
> implemented the core idea well -,respecting at the same time ICANN's
> parameters.
>
> Regarding evaluation and selection funding applications, recommendation 2
> states:
>
>
>
> "The CCWG recommends that an Independent Project Applications Evaluation
> Panel will be established. The Panel’s responsibility is to evaluate and
> select project applications. Neither the Board nor staff will be taking
> decisions on individual applications but the Board will instead focus its
> oversight on whether the rules of the process were followed by the
> Independent Project Applications Evaluation Panel. Members of the
> Independent Project Applications Evaluation Panel will not be selected
> based on their affiliation or representation, but will be selected based on
> their grant-making expertise, ability to demonstrate independence over
> time, and relevant knowledge. Diversity considerations should also be taken
> into account in the selection process."
>
>
>
> Note that ICANN community members are not prohibited from serving on the
> panel, as long as they meet the other requirements and criteria.
>
>
>
> If you would like to submit a statement expressing a different viewpoint
> from recommendation 2, you can do so as a minority statement. This will be
> included in an annex to the Final Report or linked from the Final Report to
> the wiki, depending on the length and number of statements received.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Erika
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 6:46 PM elliot noss <enoss at tucows.com> wrote:
>
>> Replying here to not fork the thread.
>>
>> My oft-repeated preference for community expertise instead of org has a
>> number of people who also liked it. Is it captured in any of the other
>> comments (I have made sure it was on the record at all previous junctures).
>> Do I need to do so again? And if yes, note that I will be referring to the
>> support this position had every time it was raised.
>>
>> We are now at the point of significant CCWG volunteer fatigue and this
>> race, again, goes to the marathoners.
>>
>> EN
>>
>> On May 25, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> HI Emily,
>>
>> Thanks so much for your clarification. It does help.  I guess like
>> Maureen I am resigned to accepting the consensus definition as it is what
>> is in the charter and we cannot go back to change things now.
>>
>> Thanks again to you, Erika, and Ching for all your great work on this
>> document
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Judith
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________________
>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>> Hellerstein & Associates
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>> On 5/25/2020 11:02 AM, Emily Barabas wrote:
>>
>> Hi Judith,
>>
>> Thanks for your response and this additional input. As Erika mentioned in
>> her response to Maureen, the definition of consensus is included in the
>> charter, so this is not a definition we can change.
>>
>> As a point of clarification, the consensus level designation refers
>> specifically to the level of support for the text of the recommendations.
>>  The consensus level designation is not intended to directly reflect the
>> results of the poll. Rather, the poll was a tool to inform drafting of the
>> recommendation text. In the case of recommendation 1, “consensus”
>> support means that the following is a position where a small minority
>> disagrees, but most agree:
>>
>> “The CCWG recommends that the Board select either mechanism A or
>> mechanism B for the allocation of auction proceeds, taking into account the
>> preference expressed by CCWG members for mechanism A . . . ”
>>
>> Does the above clarification address your concerns, and if not, can you
>> kindly advise if there is something else the CCWG can do to accommodate
>> your concerns?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Emily
>>
>>
>> *From: *Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org>
>> <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Judith Hellerstein
>> <judith at jhellerstein.com> <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>> *Organisation: *Hellerstein & Associates
>> *Reply to: *"judith at jhellerstein.com" <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>> <judith at jhellerstein.com> <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>> *Date: *Monday, 25 May 2020 at 16:40
>> *To: *"ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org" <ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org>
>> <ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org> <ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] REMINDER - Deadline Thursday, 28
>> May - minority statements
>>
>>
>> HI Emily,
>>
>> I agree with Maureen on this statement. I do not like the word Small in
>> the definition. Is there another way to describe this as the definition in
>> the charter of consensus is not what we have here? On all other
>> recommendations we can use the word consensus but not on the mechanism
>> chosen
>>
>> If looking at the poll results. We see that 7 people voted for A, 4 for B
>> and 3 for C so it seem that there were an equal number of votes for 'NOT" A
>> as there were votes "FOR" A thus we cannot say a small majority disagree.
>> We can only say that there was a preference for Mechanism A but that there
>> was an equal preference for not A.
>>
>> So we cannot say there is a consensus on the type of mechanism, we can
>> say there is a preference?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Judith
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>
>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>
>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>
>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>
>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>
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>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/25/2020 5:35 AM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>>
>> Hi Emily
>>
>> The more that I see the statement of "small minority", the more I cannot
>> agree with the "small" being included there.
>> If you are still asking, my vote goes to removing  "small" from the
>> consensus definition so that it reads "a position where a minority
>> disagrees, but a majority agree"
>>
>> Maureen
>>
>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:27 PM Emily Barabas <emily.barabas at icann.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> As a reminder, if you would like to submit minority viewpoints (details
>> below), the deadline to do so is this *Thursday, 28 May at **23:59 UTC*
>> *.*
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Emily
>>
>> *From: *Erika Mann <erika at erikamann.com>
>> *Date: *Thursday, 7 May 2020 at 15:42
>> *To: *Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org>
>> *Cc: *Ching Chiao <ching.chiao at gmail.com>, Emily Barabas <
>> emily.barabas at icann.org>, Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>,
>> Joke Braeken <joke.braeken at icann.org>
>> *Subject: *[Ext] Fwd: Message for Erika to send to CCWG today [Subject:
>> CCWG Auction Proceeds Consensus Call - Deadline 21 May 2020]
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thank you to those who participated in the final poll on mechanisms.
>> Please find attached the Final Report reflecting results of the poll (see
>> poll results in excel format here
>> <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/126432332/CCWG%20Auction%20Proceeds%20-%20Final%20Survey%20on%20Mechanisms%20-%20Summary.xlsx?version=1&modificationDate=1588328283000&api=v2>).
>> With 15 members and 4 participants responding, poll results indicate strong
>> support for mechanism A, followed by mechanism B with the majority of
>> members supporting that the CCWG should recommend two mechanisms. Section
>> 4.7 of the Report and Recommendation #1 have been updated to reflect this
>> result.
>>
>> Seeing that there were no additional comments on the last revision
>> circulated, the leadership team now considers the Final Report complete.
>> The next step in the process is for the Co-Chairs to make a designation of
>> the level of consensus for the recommendations in the report (see charter
>> <https://community.icann.org/display/CWGONGAP/CCWG+Charter> for details,
>> an excerpt of which is included below).*We believe that the CCWG
>> supports the recommendations in this report by Consensus. Consensus is
>> defined as “a position where a small minority disagrees, but most agree.”
>> If you are a member of the CCWG and you disagree with this designation,
>> please respond to the email list no later than **21 May at 23:59 UTC (14
>> days from today).*
>>
>> *Please note that at this stage, we are not revisiting the substance of
>> the recommendations or asking you to state your positions on specific
>> recommendations. We are requesting a response only if you believe that the
>> consensus designation is incorrect. If you would like to submit a minority
>> viewpoint on the content of the recommendations, **you may do so, but
>> this is separate from the consensus call. Minority statements will be due
>> 28 May at 23:59 UTC (**21 days from today). **Minority statements may be
>> included in an annex **to the Final Report or linked from **the Final
>> Report to the wiki, depending on the length and number of statements
>> received**.*
>>
>> Please also find attached a draft cover letter to send to the Chartering
>> Organizations with the Final Report. *If you have questions or comments
>> on this draft letter, please send to the* *email list no later than **21
>> May at 23:59 UTC (14 days from today).*
>>
>> We hope you are all well, take good care and,
>> kind regards,
>>
>> Erika and Ching
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Excerpt from the CCWG Charter regarding Consensus Designation:*
>>
>> *In developing its output, work plan and any other reports, the CCWG
>> shall seek to act by consensus. The chair(s) may make a call for Consensus.
>> If making such a call they should always make reasonable efforts to involve
>> all Chartering Organization appointed Members of the CCWG (or sub-teams, if
>> applicable). The chair(s) shall be responsible for designating each
>> position as having one of the following designations:*
>>
>>
>> *a)* *       Full Consensus - a position where no minority disagrees;
>> identified by an absence of objection*
>>
>> *b)* *       Consensus – a position where a small minority disagrees,
>> but most agree*
>>
>> *In the absence of Full Consensus, the chair(s) should allow for the
>> submission of minority viewpoint(s) by the Chartering Organization
>> appointed members and these, along with the consensus view, shall be
>> included in the report.*
>>
>>
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