[Comments-com-amendment-3-03jan20] Prevent .COM Price Increases

3kgven 3kgven at gmail.com
Tue Feb 11 15:04:22 UTC 2020


Hello, my name is Erick and I'm from México.

I've noticed the changes related to the domain names price according to an
agreement with verisign.

One of the ICANN's mission is to help "*unify global Internet*", and *"promotes
competition". *Then with these changes how can you do that? Many countries
are affected by the rate change in its local currency. So with these
changes american people are less affected than:

   - Lationamerica countries (México, Brasil, Argentina, Chile, etc.)
   - Russia
   - India
   - Even countries like canada, australia, china or japan are more
   affected than american people by these changes. To a lesser extent but more
   affected.

So, how can you talk about "*promote competition*" and "*unify global
Internet*" if these changes will affect people that will need more to
obtain a domain name. The companies around the world maybe absorb the cost,
but there are many people that have a domain name and have non-commercial
objectives.

I'm agree with an increment of the price according to inflation and another
economic movements related. But not with an increase of the price every
year only because the monopoly company (verisign) has decided it.

I know that the argue is increase the price in order to have more security,
and stability, but hey!, you can achieve that with an agree more
acceptable. If verisign want to collect more money maybe one idea is to
increase the domain name price of the giants in internet, like amazon,
google, etc. They can pay a little bit more than small size companies,
organizations and individuals like me. I think the price should be related
to the brand value. It's only an idea.

I don't know how, but I believe that ICANN can find another better
agreement.

Have a nice day.


*エリック  **グーベンさん*

"*¿Acaso se necesita una razon para luchar? En este mundo existen aquellos
que no tienen metas, pero aun asi luchan, incluso más que aquellos que si
tienen*"
"*La ambición es la única potencia que puede luchar contra el amor"*

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De: Namecheap <support at namecheap.com>
Date: lun., 10 de feb. de 2020 a la(s) 17:19
Subject: Help Us Prevent .COM Price Increases
To: Kaz Murdock <3kgven at gmail.com>


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to share with you that will affect the price of your .COM domains.

What's happening?

Last month, ICANN, the organization that oversees domain names, announced
significant changes to the contract it has with Verisign, Inc. who operate
the .COM top-level-domain (TLD).

ICANN made these changes in secret, without consulting or incorporating
feedback from the ICANN community or Internet users. Although ICANN has a
history of making similar deals behind closed doors, and also of ignoring
unified opposition against such action, we are focused on leading the fight
against price increases that will harm our customers (and the Internet as a
whole). This is a crucial time to raise our voices given that *.COM domains
make up 40% of all registered domain names online*.

What does this change mean?

Wholesale registries charge Namecheap a set fee per domain name per year.
According to this new agreement, Verisign will be allowed to increase the
wholesale price to registrars for .COM domains every year for 8 out of the
next 10 years, and the increases don’t stop there.

This will mean that* .COM wholesale domain prices can grow by more than 70%
over and above current prices over the next decade*. The contract also
allows for other price increases, which could drive prices up further,
ultimately making .COM domains less accessible and more expensive for
everybody.

Why is ICANN doing this?

Alongside these contract changes, *Verisign agreed to pay ICANN an
additional $20 million dollars over five years to support* ICANN's domain
name system initiatives, without any clarity about how ICANN will spend the
money, or who will ensure that the funds are properly spent on domain
infrastructure.

So, what can you do to help?

These changes will have significant impact on the Internet for years to
come, and only ICANN and Verisign have participated in this decision. If
you want to make sure your voice is heard, let ICANN know how you feel
about their recent decision. *The Public Comment period
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