[council] Draft reply Council on GNSO reform

[Gomes, Chuck]

Totally agree Tim.  I think you said this better than I did in a message
I just sent where I said, "while I believe we should always try to
maximize representativeness in the broadest sense possible, it is
particularly important to try to have representativeness of the most
impacted parties."

Chuck Gomes
 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org 
> [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 6:10 AM
> To: Avri Doria
> Cc: Council GNSO
> Subject: RE: [council] Draft reply Council on GNSO reform
> 
> 
> Avri, I don't see representation and inclusiveness as separable.
> 
> Regarding WGs I think that stakeholder representation should 
> be an important measure of inclusiveness, and a critical 
> measure of consensus.
> I would hate to see the WG process become a gaming mechanism 
> ruled by shear numbers without regard to whether all 
> stakeholder's views have been given equal time and treatment, 
> or have consensus measured simply by numbers without regard 
> to all stakeholder interests.
> 
> I believe the challenge the Council has as it defines the WG 
> guidelines is to not lose sight of the fact that there are 
> very distinct interest groups affected in various ways, good 
> or bad, by ICANN policy. All of these groups deserve to be 
> included (represented) and the Council should not allow one 
> group to be completely drowned out by the shear numbers of another.
> 
> 
> Tim 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [council] Draft reply Council on GNSO reform
> From: Avri Doria <avri at psg.com>
> Date: Wed, November 21, 2007 8:26 pm
> To: Council GNSO <council at gnso.icann.org>
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for getting this out so quickly.
> 
> A possible addition: While I am not sure that we have 
> consensus on the details of proxy voting, might we want to 
> mention that we do want a consideration of proxy voting with 
> details to be worked out during the transition period?
> 
> Other points:
> 
> 3.1 While I agree in principle with this, I am not sure that 
> the general notion of representation is necessarily the 
> criteria I would emphasise. I would prefer to talk about the 
> appropriateness of the process and perhaps mention the 
> possibility that sometimes a small invited team which is 
> representative of the relevant stockholders would be a better choice.
> 
> 3.2 I tend to think that putting a lot of responsibility on 
> the WG chair is a good thing. Though I also think, as I 
> mentioned in my personal statement to the BGWG-WG, that the 
> Council retains an important management responsibility for 
> these working groups and that in all cases at least one 
> council member should be assigned to act as a representative 
> steward for the WG and should should share the burden with 
> the WG chair(s) with respective responsibilities. I also 
> think we need to design and document some standard guidelines 
> for WGs that all WG chairs and participants can use and that 
> we need to create a process for the council to provide an 
> appeals function for disputes between WG participants and WG 
> chairs. I believe that for rough consensus to work, it must 
> be possible to appeal the consensus call made by a chair. In 
> this case, I see this as a council responsibility.
> 
> Perhaps a reply like:
> 
> More thought is needed here, especially on the design of the 
> WG process and on the responsibilities of the council, the 
> chairs and the participants in a WG. Discussions on these 
> issues should be part of the transition process.
> 
> 
> 4.1b: Again I agree with Supporting this but I do not think 
> that representativeness is the issue here. If I understand 
> the architecture they are proposing, the council is the locus 
> for representation, while the WG is the locus for inclusion. 
> WGs are more inclusive, while the council will remain 
> representative of the stakeholders and their interests. I 
> suggest removing the text on representativeness, but leaving 
> the statement of support.
> 
> 
> 5.2 I think this is a critical point. I think it is important 
> to emphasise that the council needs to be responsible for 
> more then just process management but is responsible for 
> policy management. While this may not be a legislative 
> function, i am not sure it is that now, it is certainly 
> critical that the council not lose its ability to make policy 
> recommendations and that it not be restricted to just passing 
> on the work of the working groups. At the very least the 
> policy work of many WGs must be coordinated so as to not 
> produce contradictory recommendations. I wonder if we can't 
> add something that says:
> 
> We think it is important that the policy management role of 
> the council not be abrogated or diminished.
> 
> thanks again,
> 
> a.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 21 nov 2007, at 09.03, Philip Sheppard wrote:
> 
> > As agreed on yesterday's Council call, I promised to draft a short 
> > paper as a "straw man" listing those recommendations on GNSO reform 
> > that may be supportable by Council as a whole.
> > Given the deadline is submission by 30 November I thought 
> I'd better 
> > get a move on.
> >
> > Not surprisingly those listed are ones seeking:
> > - improvements in policy development and timeline flexibility,
> > - improvements in communications,
> > - improvements in outreach
> > - greater support for constituencies.
> >
> > I have left out proposals on structural change suspecting 
> we will have 
> > differing views.
> >
> > On working groups, I am proposing a partial support, suspecting we 
> > mostly feel they will work for much policy work, but that tying our 
> > hands to have ONLY working groups for EVERY issue before us 
> would be 
> > too inflexible.
> >
> > I hope I have captured areas of potential agreement. Your first 
> > comments please by November 25 after which time I'll edit a 
> proposed 
> > final version.
> > Comments can be as simple as - "yes I/we support" or can be 
> proposals 
> > to strike one of the proposed areas of agreement. In that 
> case, a word 
> > of explanation would be good to share.
> >
> >
> >
> > Philip <GNSO reply reform proposals 2007v1.doc>
> 
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