[council] Volunteer for Vertical Integration PDP CharterDrafting Team

Tue Feb 2 23:03:13 UTC 2010

The milestone/deadline/time line issue has cropped up in some NCSG
discussions, so our representatives on the DT may be able to suggest
concrete initial starting points for this.

Mary W S Wong
Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs
Franklin Pierce Law Center
Two White Street
Concord, NH 03301
USA
Email: mwong at piercelaw.edu
Phone: 1-603-513-5143
Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php
Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network
(SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584

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From: Adrian Kinderis <adrian at ausregistry.com.au>
To:"Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com>, Mary Wong
<MWong at piercelaw.edu>, William Drake
<william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch>
CC:GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>, "Glen at icann.org"
<Glen at icann.org>
Date: 2/2/2010 6:00 PM
Subject: RE: [council] Volunteer for Vertical Integration PDP
CharterDrafting Team

No they aren’t sufficient.
We are looking for an efficient process.
Can’t we just estimate some turnaround times on all the tasks?

Adrian Kinderis

From:Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes at verisign.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 9:54 AM
To: Adrian Kinderis; Mary Wong; William Drake
Cc: GNSO Council List; Glen at icann.org
Subject: RE: [council] Volunteer for Vertical Integration PDP Charter
Drafting Team

Adrian,

Are the milestones in the current PDP sufficient?  They have rarely if
ever worked but if setting milestones is the goal, we already have them.
 Unfortunately though, we moved beyond the process in the PDP several
years ago.

Chuck

From:Adrian Kinderis [mailto:adrian at ausregistry.com.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:01 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck; Mary Wong; William Drake
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Subject: RE: [council] Volunteer for Vertical Integration PDP Charter
Drafting Team
Whilst I agree it would be difficult to perfectly predict the final PDP
date, I believe it is imperative that strict milestones be set and aimed
for.
These milestones should be drafted and included in the charter.

Adrian Kinderis

From:Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes at verisign.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:49 AM
To: Adrian Kinderis; Mary Wong; William Drake
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Subject: RE: [council] Volunteer for Vertical Integration PDP Charter
Drafting Team

Adrian,

As you noted, the motion directs the DT to deliver a proposed charter
within 30 days from the date of the motion; that translates to 27 Feb.

The next Council meeting after that is the one on 10 March in Nairobi. 
The 27 Feb completion date will meet the 8 day requirement for motions,
so the Council agenda for the 10 Mar meeting will include discussion and
approval of the charter.

So there are two firm dates: 1) Proposed charter sent to Council not
later than 27 Feb; 2) Council action on charter on 10 Mar.

I would expect that the proposed charter will include suggested
timeframes for the other milestones that you suggest.  But I would
expect that it will be very difficult to set a final PDP date.  To try
to do that would put us into the same situation that the unrealistic
time requirements in the current PDP does.  But I will leave that to the
Charter DT.

Chuck

From:Adrian Kinderis [mailto:adrian at ausregistry.com.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:27 AM
To: Mary Wong; William Drake; Gomes, Chuck
Cc: GNSO Council List; Glen at icann.org
Subject: RE: [council] Volunteer for Vertical Integration PDP Charter
Drafting Team
Chuck et al,
Can we get a few milestone dates attached to this process from a
‘delivering on time’ point of view?
Perhaps something like (and this is very crude and for illustration
purposes only);
·         Charter Drafting Team nominations close (xx/xx)
·         Charter Drafted (yy/yy)
·         PDP Process 1 Starts (zz/zz)
·         PDP Process 1 Completed (aa/aa)
·         Final PDP Presented to GNSO Council (bb/bb)
Even if this is just draft it would provide a timeline for the work to
be completed.
I believe, given the importance of this task, and the fact that a ‘due
date’ was thought important enough to be included in the motion, we
should put something in place ASAP. Without it, we could potentially be
doomed to ‘phaffing about’ without direction. 
Thoughts?
Adrian Kinderis

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On Behalf Of Mary Wong
Sent: Tuesday, 2 February 2010 9:19 AM
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Subject: RE: [council] Volunteer for Vertical Integration PDP Charter
Drafting Team

Thanks to Liz and Chuck for their clarifications and suggestions.

I agree that the DT should be reasonably small, and would in this case
personally prefer not to set numbers for each SG/SO/AC, or worry about
matching/equivalence. In other situations and over other issues, equal
representation of each group may be a fundamental concern, but in this
case I believe NCSG is recommending Avri and Milton not because we
believe we (or everyone) needs at least two (or however many)
representatives. Rather, and for the reasons that Bill has stated, Avri
and Milton will best represent NCSG in terms of what is likely to be a
difficult preliminary issue (i.e. scoping out the WG). 

Cheers

Mary

Mary W S Wong

Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs

Franklin Pierce Law Center

Two White Street

Concord, NH 03301

USA

Email: mwong at piercelaw.edu

Phone: 1-603-513-5143

Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php

Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network
(SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584

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From: 
"Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com>

To:
"William Drake" <william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch>

CC:
Glen de Saint Géry<Glen at icann.org>, "GNSO Council List"
<council at gnso.icann.org>

Date: 
2/1/2010 4:33 PM

Subject: 
RE: [council] Volunteer for Vertical Integration PDP Charter Drafting
Team

I wouldn't see any problem with that.  I just think it would be best to
keep it as small as reasonably possible because of the short timeframe
and limited task.  If the CSG wants three to cover three constituencies,
would you want three?  (BTW, they have not asked for three.)

Chuck

From:William Drake [mailto:william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch] 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:28 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck
Cc: Glen de Saint Géry; GNSO Council List
Subject: Re: [council] Volunteer for Vertical Integration PDP Charter
Drafting Team
Chuck, 

Two.  There are some fundamental issues in the air about the proper
scope and terms of reference for the WG that need to be sorted out by
the DT.  Even if NCSG were to resolve its internal differences on these
points, there would probably still be differences between the houses
once the discussion gets to specifics. We're dealing with a rather
variable geometry of perspectives, and as I say both people mentioned
will add to working these things through.

Best,

Bill

On Feb 1, 2010, at 10:09 PM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:

Bill,

How many do you think the NCSG needs for the charter drafting team, not
for the WG.

Chuck

From:William Drake [mailto:william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch] 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 3:59 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck
Cc: Glen de Saint Géry; GNSO Council List
Subject: Re: [council] Volunteer for Vertical Integration PDP Charter
Drafting Team
Hi 

And from NCSG, Avri Doria and Milton Mueller.  

One participant from each SG would not work for NCSG, as we have a
couple of contending perspectives in play, with multiple members aligned
with each.  Avri and Milton have been very active and thoughtful
proponents of those respective perspectives, both of which
overlap/synergize in some ways with the positions advanced by other SGs.
 Should be an interesting discussion...

Best,

Bill

On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:

Glen,

Please add Brian Cute from Afilias to this DT.

Thanks, Chuck

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