[council] Kenya Agenda questions: Saturday Council dinner and Sunday breakfast

Wed Jan 13 21:46:49 UTC 2010

Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
> Thanks Wendy, I understand the argument.
> 
> But this is an extra session that we're all volunteering into.

Fine, and if I'm volunteering, I volunteer to talk about any matter of
policy, or about why we differ on those, or about how we might better
work through misunderstandings or disagreements on those.  I think those
benefit from both informal and formally structured conversation.

I was not a part of the Council when the previous session was planned,
so I don't know its rationale or specific mandate.  I'm simply stating
my preference for meetings going forward, including those we add to the
schedule.

Thanks,
--Wendy

 It's not actually taking up another planned session's time.
> 
> The decision is, basically, do we all want to start the day talking to each other or would we rather wait until 9:30 to all get to sit down together?
> 
> If we do go for the breakfast option, then why not air our grievances in an open fashion?
> 
> Stéphane
> 
> Le 13 janv. 2010 à 22:26, Wendy Seltzer a écrit :
> 
>> Adrian Kinderis wrote:
>>> I'm not attending so I'll say this for what it is worth...
>>>
>>> Why not make it a "gripe" session? What are you all afraid of.
>> I'm afraid of turning into another version of ALAC, where so much
>> discussion seemed to focus internally that we never got to debating
>> matters of policy.  I don't want to spend our limited face-to-face time
>> talking about internal politics, but rather focusing on those
>> "degenerate" topics on which the Council is asked (or asks) for policy
>> input.
>>
>> I object to a closed session, not to an open one.
>>
>> --Wendy
>>
>>> I thought last time there was a healthy debate about perspectives and positions and it was a good opportunity to ask direct questions to fellow Councillors.
>>>
>>> Sure, "gripe" may not be the right word but, a session to "air grievances" is necessary and valid in my opinion.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, why have the session? It will just degenerate into a discussion about new gTLD's or WhoIs. There are plenty of avenues for that.
>>>
>>> I would say that, as Mary says, you have leadership and guidance from the Chairs and Vice Chairs. We have a healthy respect for each other. I am not sure why there is a concern.
>>>
>>> If you have problems with participating in an open discussion don't participate - as a number of members didn't last time.
>>>
>>> As one that was involved in the idea's inception I'd certainly not like to see it diluted into just another session to cover outstanding topics.... 
>>>
>>> Adrian Kinderis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer
>>> Sent: Thursday, 14 January 2010 3:45 AM
>>> To: Stéphane Van Gelder
>>> Cc: council at gnso.icann.org
>>> Subject: Re: [council] Kenya Agenda questions: Saturday Council dinner and Sunday breakfast
>>>
>>>
>>> Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
>>>> Thanks Debbie.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is opposed to the breakfast, please let either Glen or myself know as soon as you can.
>>> I support a breakfast so long as it's not a "grievances" session.
>>>
>>> --Wendy
>>>
>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>> Stéphane
>>>>
>>>> Le 13 janv. 2010 à 16:19, <HughesDeb at usa.redcross.org> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Stéphane,
>>>>> Breakfast and dinner are a great idea!
>>>>> Thanks for working on this.
>>>>> Debbie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Debra Y. Hughes, Senior Counsel
>>>>> American Red Cross
>>>>>
>>>>> Office of the General Counsel 
>>>>> 2025 E Street, NW 
>>>>> Washington, D.C. 20006 
>>>>> Phone: (202) 303-5356 
>>>>> Fax: (202) 303-0143
>>>>> HughesDeb at usa.redcross.org
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:18 AM
>>>>> To: Caroline Greer
>>>>> Cc: council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [council] Kenya Agenda questions: Saturday Council dinner and Sunday breakfast
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Caroline and Wolf for your quick responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> To be honest, I think the Sat dinner is a given. We all enjoyed the Seoul one and I never heard anyone say we shouldn't do another one. Plus it was a pay-your-own-way event so really, there shouldn't be much problem with this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glen has already found a possible venue and I am going to make an executive decision ;) to put it on the agenda. If anyone objects within the next couple of days, we can always look at this again. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The breakfast is the one I am much less sure of. As a reminder, this was kind of intended to be an informal discussion between ourselves to help anyone get anything they wanted off their chests. In Seoul, this was organised in one of the meeting rooms. Does the Council feel we should do this again for Kenya?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Stéphane
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 13 janv. 2010 à 12:56, Caroline Greer a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stéphane,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Being a 'newbie' to the group, I would welcome any opportunity for an informal get-together with colleagues before the meetings proper. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Caroline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of KnobenW at telekom.de
>>>>>> Sent: 13 January 2010 11:43
>>>>>> To: stephane.vangelder at indom.com; council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>> Subject: AW: [council] Kenya Agenda questions: Saturday Council dinner and Sunday breakfast
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stéphane,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I support the dinner which gives more opportunity for unofficisl talks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>> Von: owner-council at gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2010 09:01
>>>>>> An: GNSO Council
>>>>>> Betreff: [council] Kenya Agenda questions: Saturday Council dinner and Sunday breakfast
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Councillors,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am currently working with Glen on our agenda for the Kenya meeting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you may recall, in Seoul we had an unofficial dinner on the meeting's first Saturday and there we also a Council breakfast on the following Sunday morning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For Kenya, the question of these events remains undecided and we are therefore not sure whether we should include them in the agenda or not. Our understanding is that there is broad support within the Council for the Saturday dinner, less certain support for the Sunday breakfast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do people think? Should we plan for both the Saturday dinner and Sunday breakfast, one and not the other, none of the above?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stéphane
>>>>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Wendy Seltzer -- wendy at seltzer.org
>> phone: +1.914.374.0613
>> Fellow, Silicon Flatirons Center at University of Colorado Law School
>> Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University
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