AW: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting

KnobenW at KnobenW at
Wed Jun 15 16:17:17 UTC 2011

now I understand that my English may have confused you. I was writing about the "GNSO position within this process..." meaning the process of developing the motion. It was my personal opinion and not meaning that Stéphane's comment was the GNSO's position.
Sorry if I mislead you.

Kind regards


	Von: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder at] 
	Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2011 17:49
	An: William Drake
	Cc: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; GNSO Council List; Touray, Katim; Graham, Bill; Rita Johnston Rodin; Bruce Tonkin; "Géry de Saint, Glen"; Carlton SAMUELS A; Rafik Dammak; Crepin-Leblond, Olivier; ICANN (Internal) list ALAC; Karla Valente; gacsec at
	Betreff: Re: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
	Thanks for clarifying Bill. 

	I think we can agree that we agree ;)

	Can I say "please no" to your suggestion for a month-long debate? ;))


	Le 15 juin 2011 à 16:49, William Drake a écrit :

		Hi Stéphane 

		Right, I didn't question that it was a personal statement, and indeed I noted that in the first sentence of my reply.  I was responding to Wolf-Ulrich's message saying you'd made clear "the GNSO position" and simply underscoring that there's no singular view in the Council.  So can we agree that we agree, or shall we have a month long Council debate on the procedures to be followed in determining whether we agree? :-)

		Onward and upward,


		On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:


			My message was a personal response and clearly marked in this way.

			You are absolutely right that it should in no way be construed as a GNSO position.

			But to be honest, I think that was very clearly stated in my message.


			Le 15 juin 2011 à 03:14, William Drake a écrit :


				While one can differ with the some of the word choices in the message to which Stéphane has responded in his personal capacity, it should be noted that the sort of optical concerns that were raised are share among at least some in Council who've supported the JAS effort.  As such, I would not characterize the situation as there being a singular "GNSO position" on this.  There's a majority view and there's a minority view, not full consensus, and I hope we can keep that clear in future references to the matter.



				On Jun 14, 2011, at 6:57 PM, <KnobenW at> <KnobenW at> wrote:

					I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc.
					Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this process very clear!
					Kind regards


					Von: owner-council at [mailto:owner-council at] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder
					Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48
					An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin Johnston; Bruce Tonkin
					Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
					Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
					Hello Katim, 

					This is a personal reaction to your message.

					I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone Report.

					At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council.

					Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work.

					Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the process".

					As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of volunteers that the GNSO represents.

					You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend.

					In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments.



					Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit :

					Dear all,
					Thanks so much for your invitation to the call.  I certainly was looking forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.)  I am a consultant helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented a few weeks back.  We were hoping to go through the entire document today, but we could not.  So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our review of the draft document.  For this reason, I will not be available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this.
					Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow.  In addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD applicants get the support they need.
					One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the finalization of the JAS WG report.  While I agree that it will help to insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to provide a timeline for the finalization of your report.
					I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting on the JAS WG reports.  I fear such a situation might well be construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants.  One important product of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program.  I need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd like to have their support.  For this reason, I would like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party.
					Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your tireless and selfless efforts on this matter.  Again, I am very sorry I would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations.
					Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore!
					On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff at> wrote:

					Dear All,
					The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be able to join us.

					*	Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch -  Highlights Second Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific summary points 


					*	Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) - JAS WG would like to listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC and Board members 

					*	Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels - Should there be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the Singapore ICANN Meeting? 

					As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could:

					1.	Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to attend the  teleconference. 
					2.	Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if possible.

					Kind regards,

					Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond

					ALAC Chair
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