[council] Informal conversation

Mon Oct 31 22:27:43 UTC 2011

Thanks Rafik, noted,
Glen

Glen de Saint Géry
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De : owner-council at gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] De la part de Rafik Dammak
Envoyé : vendredi 28 octobre 2011 13:51
À : Thomas Rickert
Cc : Neuman, Jeff; Joy Liddicoat; Stéphane Van Gelder; Mary.Wong at law.unh.edu; council at gnso.icann.org
Objet : Re: [council] Informal conversation

Hello,

I would like to join the group.

Best,

Rafik

2011/10/28 Thomas Rickert <rickert at anwaelte.de<mailto:rickert at anwaelte.de>>
Jeff, all,
I volunteer to participate in this group.

Best,
Thomas

Am 28.10.2011 um 00:15 schrieb Neuman, Jeff:

Thanks Joy.  We have decided to form a small group of Councilors to work on these issues.  I have volunteered to lead the up. We did ask the GAC several times if they wanted to work with us in some form of group, but they have declined our invitation.  Therefore, after the letter is sent, we will try to work these issues on our own in a relatively quick time frame and after approval from the Council, we will share our thoughts with the GAC.  They seem to prefer this course of action.

We have also asked for volunteers and Glen has volunteered to set up a mailing list.  If you would like to volunteer for this group, please let Glen know.

Thanks again.

Jeffrey J. Neuman
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy

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From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org>] On Behalf Of Joy Liddicoat
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Subject: RE: [council] Informal conversation

Hi - my apologies for missing this meeting - it was 12am onwards here.
Thanks for your work on this Stephane and Mary's idea of some mechanism(s)
to help build relationships is a good one - whether as observer or liaison
point. Or perhaps a standing item on the GNSO agenda could be: GAC - with a
GAC rep/Chair given the opportunity to attend on specific topics of GNSO/GAC
working methods?
A practical suggestion on the IOC Red Cross matter: GAC makes a fair point
on the intra-GAC issues (and, as Thomas says, GNSO councillors also face
workload challenges). Could we suggest a small GNSO GAC working group on
this specific issue? The group could take forward some of the issues raised
and, perhaps, work together to suggest options/pathways forward for the two
groups to consider?

Joy

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Subject: Re: [council] Informal conversation

Good point Mary, I forgot the topic of a liaison. They say they can't do
that, but actually suggest the reverse, i.e. that we send them a liaison!

An interesting suggestion.

Stéphane

Le 27 oct. 2011 à 16:39, <Mary.Wong at law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong at law.unh.edu>> a écrit :

Hmm ... isn't this one very good reason why we ought to have GNSO-GAC
liaisons?

Also, while I understand the difficulty the GAC may have with nit having
one or two people represent the GAC formally, should we consider inviting
them to appoint an observer or liaison to the task force or WG that Jeff is
leading?

Thanks for the prompt action and reporting back, Stéphane.

Cheers
Mary

"Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder at indom.com<mailto:stephane.vangelder at indom.com>>"
<stephane.vangelder at indom.com<mailto:stephane.vangelder at indom.com>> wrote:

All,

As we discussed during today's wrap-up, I had an informal conversation
with the GAC.

I passed along the message that there was disappointment at the GAC's
apparent lack of desire for a common effort on the IOC and RC names. The
answer was that the GAC remains extremely challenged when it comes to
participating in joint efforts of this kind. There are workload issues first
and foremost for government reps, but also because of the unique nature of
the GAC it is difficult for any GAC member to participate effectively.

The point was also made to me that we tend to assume that when we put
something out, either on our mailing list or our website, that is enough for
the GAC to be aware of it. I was told that it is not so, and that there is
no substitute for direct communication. So in that regard, it sounds like
our discussions in today's wrap-up about being seen to be more constructive
and more proactive are spot on.

With that in mind, I would suggest that we perhaps want to send the draft
letter on the IOC and RC names anyway. The idea being to show that we have
done some thinking about this issue as well (someone made that point during
the wrap-up, I forget who so apologies).

Also, I was told that unless we write to the GAC to tell them about the
announcement made by ICANN and the registrars and published on the GNSO
mailing list, they don't know about it. As this is a registrar specific
issue, it is perhaps not for the GNSO as a whole to mention. But it is
perhaps worth thinking about.

The main takeaway I got from the conversation is that we should look to
improve the way we communicate with the outside world (this is not something
I was told, it is my own conclusion).

Hope this is helpful.

Get home safe everyone. Enjoyed working with you this week.

Stéphane

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