[council] [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions

Joy Liddicoat joy at apc.org
Thu Feb 9 00:14:09 UTC 2012

Thanks Stephane 



From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On
Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012 10:31 p.m.
To: Mason Cole
Cc: Mary.Wong at law.unh.edu; council at gnso.icann.org
Subject: Re: [council] [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions


OK, thanks for your feedback everyone. I have asked Olivier to provide
details on what it is ALAC intends. If this is just an open session, then
fine, anyone can go and why are we even discussing it? If this is something
else, then what is it exactly and how is the GNSO being asked to get


I will update the Council when I have an answer.




Stéphane Van Gelder
Directeur Général / General manager
INDOM Group NBT France

Head of Domain Operations

Group NBT


Le 8 févr. 2012 à 00:36, Mason Cole a écrit :

I agree it's generally outside the scope of the council. 

I do think however the idea of trying to control or eradicate content by
means of Internet intermediaries (ISPs, registrars, registries, ad service
providers, payment processors, etc.) is of interest to many of us who
participate actively in ICANN.  Indeed this is part of the SOPA/PIPA bills'
designs.  So should that legislation fail in the US, the community might
anticipate further attention being directed toward ICANN as a means of
achieving that agenda.  So we may do well to be educated, even if there's
little for us to act on as it relates to the legislation itself.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org on behalf of Mary.Wong at law.unh.edu
Sent: Tue 2/7/2012 11:00 AM
To: council at gnso.icann.org; Stéphane Van Gelder
Subject: [council] Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions

While a session on SOPA (and perhaps also PIPA, the Senate version of a
similar bill) might be helpful to the community, especially if it focuses on
aspects that would affect management, expansion and/or security of the DNS,
I agree it would seem somewhat outside the Council's scope. Question
whether, as a general topic, it is within the GNSO community's range of
direct interests - and depending on what the session covers, it might well

I'd suggest not adding it to the Council's agenda, but agreeing that such a
session could be of interest to individual GNSO SGs, Cs and participants.

FWIW it's not clear where either the US Senate or House of Representatives
will go with the bills. Some co-sponsors have either pulled out or have
stated publicly that much needs to be reconsidered, while at least one major
sponsor (Senator Leahy from Vermont) seems to want to keep the bills alive,
with possible modifications. There will be lots of discussions, hearings and
negotiations between now and any formal action - and it's likely the DNS
sections of the original bill will be dropped altogether or be drastically
changed - so I'm not sure how discussing a previous version of the
legislation would be entirely helpful (unless a new version of one or both
bills is out in advance sufficiently of our Costa Rica meeting to enable
folks to familiarize themselves with it).


Mary W S Wong
Professor of Law
Chair, Graduate IP Programs
Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
Two White Street
Concord, NH 03301
Email: mary.wong at law.unh.edu
Phone: 1-603-513-5143
Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php
Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN)
at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From:   Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder at indom.com>      
To:      "council at gnso.icann.org GNSO" <council at gnso.icann.org>
Date:   2/7/2012 11:57 AM      
Subject:        [council] Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA


Please find below an email chain starting with a message from the ALAC
Chair. Thanks to Wolf for keeping me honest and reminding me that I had
forgotten to copy the Council here ;)


Le 7 févr. 2012 à 16:06, <KnobenW at telekom.de> a écrit :

> Stéphane,
> are you going to inform the council about Olivier's request?
> Kind regards
> Wolf-Ulrich
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder at indom.com]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 11:01
> An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich
> Cc: Jeff.Neuman at neustar.us; gnso-chairs at icann.org
> Betreff: Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
> I agree with Jeff 100%
> Stéphane
> Le 2 févr. 2012 à 22:27, <KnobenW at telekom.de> a écrit :
>> Jeff, I personally agree - with the knowledge I have so far.
>> Nevertheless I expect different views from councillors. And I think the
GNSO should be prepared just in case such a forum is going to be organized
in Costa Rica.
>> The ccNSO chair has answered to Olivier's request in favour. I think the
GNSO chair should send an answer, too, based on GNSO discussions.
>> Kind regards
>> Wolf-Ulrich
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman at neustar.us]
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Februar 2012 22:11
>> An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; gnso-chairs at icann.org
>> Betreff: RE: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
>> I have been keeping quiet about this on other lists, but no I do not
believe this is an issue for the GNSO Council to discuss.  This is a matter
that effects national law and would represent a complete side track during
the weekend from official GNSO business.
>> Jeffrey J. Neuman
>> Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-gnso-chairs at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs at icann.org] On
Behalf Of KnobenW at telekom.de
>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:06 PM
>> To: gnso-chairs at icann.org
>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] WG: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
>> I wonder whether the GNSO could refrain from such a forum in San José. Is
SOPA (and PIPA) effecting our policy work or not? I think a GNSO
representative should participate in such a discussion.
>> Should we put this on the GNSO weekend agenda in San José, too?
>> Maybe there is interest in discussing the item with the GAC ?!
>> Kind regards
>> Wolf-Ulrich
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: owner-soac-discussion at icann.org
[mailto:owner-soac-discussion at icann.org] Im Auftrag von Olivier MJ
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 08:27
>> An: soac-discussion at icann.org
>> Cc: ICANN AtLarge Staff
>> Betreff: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
>> Dear SO/AC Chairs,
>> a recent discussion on an ALAC call led to the question whether the ICANN
community might be interested in holding a session in San José, to discuss
the aspects of the SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) and how it might affect
ICANN policies that were reached through consensus.
>> I am writing to you all to find out of this is something which your
community might be interested in.
>> As we are currently finalising schedules, it would be helpful to find out
your community's views ASAP.
>> Warmest regards,
>> Olivier
>> --
>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
>> http://www.gih.com/ocl.html


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