[council] Draft ATRT2 Comments

[Maria Farrell]

Here is the updated version for discussion today.

Maria


On 12 December 2013 12:08, Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jonathan,
>
> I'll send an updated version shortly. I'm doing my best to try and
> accommodate people's wishes, but it's not clear to me how.
>
> I will include any actual changes to the text that have been suggested in
> the past 18 hours - but general discussion on related points I'm not able
> to accommodate as I have a couple of other deadlines to get out before this
> afternoon. If anyone who's discussed issues on-list wants to try inserting
> actual text, that would be welcome.
>
> Maria
>
>
> On 12 December 2013 10:46, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info>wrote:
>
>> All,
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>> I understand Petter’s point on timeliness and opportunity to consult with
>> groups.  Nevertheless, we have had reasonable opportunity to consider the
>> report and our respective group’s position/s on these.
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>> Therefore, it seems that there are two key points:
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>> 1.       Have we got sufficient agreement on the content?
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>> 2.       Can we commit to a submission by the deadline tomorrow?
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>> Accordingly, Maria please can you try to supply us with what you believe
>> to be the latest draft, ideally that we have substantial agreement on.
>>
>> We can use this as a basis to answer one and two above in the meeting
>> today.
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>> Thanks,
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>>
>>
>> Jonathan
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>> *From:* Mike O'Connor [mailto:mike at haven2.com]
>> *Sent:* 11 December 2013 23:07
>> *To:* Gomes, Chuck
>> *Cc:* John Berard; Berry Cobb; James M. Bladel; Maria Farrell; Alan
>> Greenberg; David Cake; <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments
>>
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>> i would add a couple variables
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>>             R = rigor
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>>             L (since "C" is already taken) = level of consensus
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>> give me permission to do a sketchy work-product with low levels of
>> consensus and i can bring a working-group home in a jiffy.  ;-)
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>> mikey
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>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 2:27 PM, "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com> wrote:
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>>  I like it.  I think it helps make my points with regard to
>> time-effectiveness.  J
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>> Chuck
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>> *From:* John Berard [mailto:john at crediblecontext.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:43 PM
>> *To:* Berry Cobb
>> *Cc:* Gomes, Chuck; James M. Bladel; Maria Farrell; Alan Greenberg;
>> David Cake; Mike O'Connor; <council at gnso.icann.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments
>>
>>
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>> Who is this and what have you done with Berry?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 11:36 AM, "Berry Cobb" <mail at berrycobb.com> wrote:
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>> All,
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>> I’m probably a bit tardy in offering this to the discussion, but it might
>> at least help inform future deliberations on the topic of time duration on
>> a PDP.  I started drafting a simple formula a while ago and I suspect a few
>> more variables could be added.
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>>
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>> Duration of a PDP is a function of participation X frequency X complexity
>> X knowledge
>>
>> D=PxFxCxK
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>> Food for thought…….
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>> B
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>> Berry Cobb
>>
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
>>
>> 720.839.5735
>>
>> mail at berrycobb.com
>>
>> @berrycobb
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>> *From:* owner-council at gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org<owner-council at gnso.icann.org>
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Gomes, Chuck
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:00
>> *To:* Gomes, Chuck; James M. Bladel; Maria Farrell
>> *Cc:* Alan Greenberg; David Cake; Mike O'Connor; council at gnso.icann.org
>> *Subject:* RE: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments
>>
>>
>>
>> One more thing on this.  I was comfortable with the changes in wording
>> that James & I agreed to previously. What happened to that?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck
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>> *From:* owner-council at gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org<owner-council at gnso.icann.org>
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Gomes, Chuck
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:47 PM
>> *To:* James M. Bladel; Maria Farrell
>> *Cc:* Alan Greenberg; David Cake; Mike O'Connor; council at gnso.icann.org
>> *Subject:* RE: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments
>>
>>
>>
>> James,
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>> I don’t think that time-effectiveness can be dealt with in isolation of
>> the other criteria.  In fact, time-effectiveness itself is not the root
>> problem, it is the symptom.  We could easily make PDPs shorter; would that
>> solve the problem?  We could reduce the time it takes to do a PDP?  Would
>> that be a measure of success?  The original DNSO did that in policy work by
>> having the GNSO Council act as a legislative body.  It’s easy to do things
>> faster in a top-down management model.  I am willing to consider other
>> wording but I have a serious problem with  the wording that is in the
>> latest version Maria distributed.  I think it undermines the other points
>> we make.
>>
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>>
>> Chuck
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>> *From:* James M. Bladel [mailto:jbladel at godaddy.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:12 PM
>> *To:* Gomes, Chuck; Maria Farrell
>> *Cc:* Alan Greenberg; David Cake; Mike O'Connor; council at gnso.icann.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck:
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>>
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>> I’m not entirely on board with some of the sentiments expressed in your
>> edits.  Opponents of the PDP will often (and firstly) cite the -lack– of
>> time efficiency as the primary flaw in the process.  If we are to address
>> those internal and external critics, it seems that this should be
>> highlighted above the other concerns…
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>> Thanks—
>>
>>
>>
>> J.
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>>
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>> *From: *<Gomes>, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, December 11, 2013 at 12:02
>> *To: *Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>, David Cake <
>> dave at difference.com.au>, Mike O'Connor <mike at haven2.com>, "
>> council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>
>> *Subject: *RE: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments
>>
>>
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>> Thanks Maria.
>>
>>
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>> Regarding ‘*13.1 on GNSO and the wider ICANN community developing ways
>> to make the GNSO PDP process more time-effective*’:
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>> PHONE: 651-647-6109, FAX: 866-280-2356, WEB: www.haven2.com, HANDLE:
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