[council] Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT 2) Final Report & Recommendations
Alan Greenberg
alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Fri Feb 21 17:14:07 UTC 2014
Mikey, in your second paragraph, you use the
expression "well-supported". Do you mean
supported as in "rah, rah, we want it", or
"well-funded". If the latter, you should be more explicit.
Alan
At 21/02/2014 10:33 AM, Mike O'Connor wrote:
>hi again this is a slightly newer new
>version. i decided to break up the paragraph a
>little bit, thats all. heres the way i did it
>
>The ATRT2 report documents how a very small
>group of dedicated volunteers carry an
>extraordinary proportion of the working-group
>load and correctly identifies this as a major
>concern. We note that simply increasing the
>pool of people aware of and in some way engaged
>with ICANN should not be viewed as the
>goal. Ultimately what is needed is a larger and
>more diverse group of active and effective
>volunteer participants in PDP working groups.
>
>Although outreach is an important part of the
>effort and crucial for bringing new volunteers
>to ICANN, the path to this goal should not end
>at simply recruiting a large diverse group of
>people. Rather, there needs to be a clear and
>well-supported progression for community
>volunteers to gain the skills, knowledge and
>experience needed to broaden the ranks of active
>PDP participants and leaders.
>
>We support reversing the current trend of too
>little focus on the recruiting, development and
>support of capable volunteer policymakers while
>increasingly following the expedient path of
>hiring expert panels, expanding staff and
>hand-picking community representatives through opaque selection committees.
>
>
>
>
>On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Mike O'Connor
><<mailto:mike at haven2.com>mike at haven2.com> wrote:
>
>>hi all,
>>
>>thanks for the comments. heres a new version.
>>
>>
>>The ATRT2 report documents how a very small
>>group of dedicated volunteers carry an
>>extraordinary proportion of the working-group
>>load and correctly identifies this as a major
>>concern. We note that simply increasing the
>>pool of people aware of and in some way engaged
>>with ICANN should not be viewed as the
>>goal. Ultimately what is needed is a larger
>>and more diverse group of active and effective
>>volunteer participants in PDP working
>>groups. Although outreach is an important part
>>of the effort and crucial for bringing new
>>volunteers to ICANN, the path to this goal
>>should not end at simply recruiting a large
>>diverse group of people. Rather, there needs
>>to be a clear and well-supported progression
>>for community volunteers to gain the skills,
>>knowledge and experience needed to broaden the
>>ranks of active PDP participants and
>>leaders. We support reversing the current
>>trend of too little focus on the recruiting,
>>development and support of capable volunteer
>>policymakers while increasingly following the
>>expedient path of hiring expert panels,
>>expanding staff and hand-picking community
>>representatives through opaque selection committees.
>>
>>
>>
>><ATRT2 - Draft Council Input (14 February 2014) MO2.doc>
>>
>>On Feb 21, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Thomas Rickert
>><<mailto:rickert at anwaelte.de>rickert at anwaelte.de> wrote:
>>
>>>+1
>>>
>>>Thomas
>>>
>>>
>>>Am 21.02.2014 um 15:48 schrieb "James M.
>>>Bladel" <<mailto:jbladel at godaddy.com>jbladel at godaddy.com>:
>>>
>>>>I also support Mikeys edits, but to Klaus
>>>>point, Im wondering if we can insert
>>>>something emphasizing that new participants
>>>>be volunteers? We do not want to
>>>>encourage the trend of hiring outside
>>>>experts, proliferating Staff, and hand-picked
>>>>participants chosen by an opaque selection committee.
>>>>
>>>>J.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>From: Klaus Stoll <<mailto:kdrstoll at gmail.com>kdrstoll at gmail.com>
>>>>Date: Friday, February 21, 2014 at 8:02
>>>>To: "Reed, Daniel A"
>>>><<mailto:dan-reed at uiowa.edu>dan-reed at uiowa.edu
>>>> >, Mike O'Connor
>>>><<mailto:mike at haven2.com>mike at haven2.com>,
>>>>GNSO Council List <<mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>Subject: Re: [council] Second Accountability
>>>>and Transparency Review Team (ATRT 2) Final Report & Recommendations
>>>>
>>>>Fine with me as long as we don't start breading more "experts".
>>>>
>>>>Klaus
>>>>
>>>>On 2/21/2014 2:46 PM, Reed, Daniel A wrote:
>>>>>I think this is fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dan
>>>>>
>>>>>From:<mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org>owner-council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>[<mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org>mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org]
>>>>>On Behalf Of Mike O'Connor
>>>>>Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:04 AM
>>>>>To: <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>Subject: Re: [council] Second Accountability
>>>>>and Transparency Review Team (ATRT 2) Final Report & Recommendations
>>>>>
>>>>>hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>i agree Maria. i had a go at adding another
>>>>>paragraph to our response to Rec #10.3 and
>>>>>have attached the revised draft. but to
>>>>>save you time, heres the language i inserted
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"The ATRT2 report documents how a very small
>>>>>group of dedicated volunteers carry an
>>>>>extraordinary proportion of the
>>>>>working-group load and correctly identifies
>>>>>this as a major concern. We note that
>>>>>simply increasing the pool of people aware
>>>>>of and in some way engaged with ICANN should
>>>>>not be viewed as the goal. Ultimately what
>>>>>is needed is a larger and more diverse group
>>>>>of active and effective participants in PDP
>>>>>working groups. Although outreach is an
>>>>>important part of the effort and crucial for
>>>>>bringing newcomers to ICANN, the path to
>>>>>this goal should not end at simply
>>>>>recruiting a large diverse group of
>>>>>people. Rather, there needs to be a clear
>>>>>and well-supported progression for newcomers
>>>>>to gain the skills, knowledge and experience
>>>>>needed to broaden the ranks of active PDP participants and leaders.
>>>>>
>>>>>happy to consider revisions.
>>>>>mikey
>>>>>
>>>>>On Feb 21, 2014, at 3:56 AM, Maria Farrell
>>>>><<mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>maria.farrell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Jonathan,
>>>>>I'm happy to support this, and thank you for
>>>>>drafting it. There's one small typo, track
>>>>>changes version attached. It's in para 1, page 3.
>>>>>I'd have liked if we tackled head-on the
>>>>>issue of the narrowness of some PDP WGs'
>>>>>participation, which the ATRT2 report
>>>>>provided some pretty convincing numbers on.
>>>>>But as I haven't gone to the trouble of
>>>>>actually drafting anything on it, I can't complain.
>>>>>All the best, Maria
>>>>>
>>>>>On 21 February 2014 09:15, Avri Doria
>>>>><<mailto:avri at acm.org>avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>As a member of the ATRT2, I do not believe
>>>>>it my job to comment on our report.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think the GNSO response is fine as far as
>>>>>it goes and I am pleased that at least
>>>>>something is being submitted - though I must
>>>>>admit I am less than enthused about
>>>>>responses that essentially say "we are already doing that".
>>>>>
>>>>>I might have wished for it to be more
>>>>>supportive of other aspects of the report, but the response is what it is.
>>>>>
>>>>>avri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 21-Feb-14 09:43, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
>>>>>*_PLEASE RESPOND WITHIN 8 HOURS_*
>>>>>
>>>>>*From:*Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com]
>>>>>*Sent:* 20 February 2014 09:38
>>>>>*To:* <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>*Subject:* RE: Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT
>>>>>
>>>>>2) Final Report & Recommendations
>>>>>
>>>>>All,
>>>>>
>>>>>The deadline for submission of public comment on the ends approximately
>>>>>36 hours from now.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am OK to submit a letter in substantially the same for as that
>>>>>distributed to you on 14 Feb (see below) and re-attached to this letter.
>>>>>
>>>>>BUT
>>>>>
>>>>>I need your support to do so. Accordingly, even if you simply provide
>>>>>support without any comment on the content, that will be helpful.
>>>>>*_PLEASE RESPOND WITHIN 24 HOURS_*
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank-you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>>*From:*Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info]
>>>>>*Sent:* 14 February 2014 17:21
>>>>>*To:*
>>>>><mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>><mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>>*Subject:* Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT 2)
>>>>>Final Report & Recommendations
>>>>>*Importance:* High
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>All,
>>>>>
>>>>>If you are not already, please be aware of the following:
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/atrt2-recommendations-09jan14-en.htm>http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/atrt2-recommendations-09jan14-en.htm
>>>>>The opportunity to provide comments _ends one week from today 23h59 UTC
>>>>>on 21 Feb 2014_.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The ATRT2 interacted with many in the community during the course of its
>>>>>work, including directly with the GNSO Council which was certainly
>>>>>appreciated. We now have an opportunity to comment on the final report.
>>>>>
>>>>>If we do intend to comment, my opinion is that we should at least submit
>>>>>an indication of intent, if not the primary comment, in the initial
>>>>>comment period and not wait for the reply period.
>>>>>
>>>>>Given the tight time frame, I have taken the unusual step of drafting a
>>>>>council response for your consideration. The ATRT2 deals with some
>>>>>critical areas of GNSO work and function and so it seems to me that we
>>>>>should respond to the call for comments, specifically in so far as the
>>>>>report deals with GNSO Policy and directly related areas.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am aware that some of you were on the ATRT2 and others actively worked
>>>>>on Council interaction with the ATRT2. Therefore, you may well have
>>>>>strong views on the subject matter.
>>>>>
>>>>>I look forward to your input and any suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><ATRT2 - Draft Council Input (14 February 2014).doc>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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