[council] Theresa Swinehart on the Creation of the President's Global Advisory Groups

[Alan Greenberg]

I cannot say whether Hopper originated it, but I 
did personally hear her use the expression.  Alan

At 01/03/2014 08:07 AM, Mike O'Connor wrote:

>this goes in the “no kidding?” department.  i 
>had no idea Grace Hopper was the originator.  here’s the quote:
>
>         If it's a good idea, go ahead and do 
> it. It is much easier to apologize than it is to get permission.
>                 - Admiral Grace Hopper
>
>as a person who spends a fair amount of time in 
>the five stages of Oops, i’m very interested in 
>seeing the draft versions of the theory.
>
>
>On Mar 1, 2014, at 3:01 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The reason I did not quote directly and used 
> the paraphrased construction I did, is because 
> I do not believe they yet gotten to the stage 
> of asking forgiveness though in time they may.
> >
> > Just as there are five stage of grief, there 
> may be five stages of Oops! (Theory to Be Developed)
> >
> > Might be better phrased as:
> >
> > "It is better to give an excuse later than ask permission"
> >
> > (-;
> > An aside: the original quote is attributed to 
> Grace Murray Hopper, a most distinguished woman 
> in our field, and not from the Junior 
> Space-Rangers. Unfortunately I do not have the specific reference at hand.
> > )
> >
> > cheers from Geneva,
> > land of juxtaposed words and ambiguous phrases, signifying nothing.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> > On 26-Feb-14 13:50, Mike O'Connor wrote:
> >> hi all,
> >>
> >> i believe the official phrase from the Junior Space-Rangers Management
> >> Handbook is "it’s better to beg forgiveness than ask permission” and i
> >> agree with Avri and Maria — that’s an approach that only works once in a
> >> while.  another phrase from that same Handbook reads “the beatings will
> >> continue until morale improves.”
> >>
> >> on a more serious note, i think one way to make sense out of what is
> >> going on is to compare the tension between the community and the
> >> administration with the tension that exists between the faculty and the
> >> administration of an institution of higher education.  i still have
> >> lumps in my head from when i learned these lessons the hard way.
> >>
> >> - faculty (community) should be careful not to run the institutional
> >> infrastructure
> >>
> >> - administration should be careful not to deliver the core mission
> >>
> >> - talk in advance when it is not clear who should be taking the lead
> >>
> >> - everybody should know whether the Board is active or passive and react
> >> appropriately
> >>
> >> we’re pretty seriously out of tolerances on all four of these right now,
> >> in my view.  and we appear to be in a runaway positive feedback loop
> >> that’s amplifying the problem rather than damping it down.
> >>
> >> mikey
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:15 AM, Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks for the note, Marika.
> >>>
> >>> I share Avri's concern, not least because "acting first and explaining
> >>> later" too often becomes "acting first and thinking later", as the
> >>> perspectives of those kept outside the clique turn out to have been
> >>> essential to include to form a balanced and comprehensive picture.
> >>>
> >>> And no amount of post hoc rationalising ever wins you back hearts and
> >>> minds.
> >>>
> >>> Maria
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 26 February 2014 09:06, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> >>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    Hi,
> >>>
> >>>    I can only say that I wish this had all been done before the
> >>>    groups were formed as opposed to after, and that the support and
> >>>    advice of the SO/AC had been obtained before they were created and
> >>>    they began their work. This would have given them a degree of
> >>>    legitimacy, I for one, do not believe they can acquire through
> >>>    post-facto explanation.
> >>>
> >>>    I know there is theory in management of acting first and
> >>>    explaining later, and in emergencies this is can be an appropriate
> >>>    method. However as it becomes standard in ICANN management, it
> >>>    becomes less and less acceptable as a method.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    Thanks
> >>>
> >>>    avri
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    On 26-Feb-14 09:56, Marika Konings wrote:
> >>>
> >>>        Dear All,
> >>>
> >>>        For your information, you can find a video with Theresa
> >>>        Swinehart, Sr
> >>>        Advisor to the President on Strategy, on the creation of the
> >>>        President's
> >>>        Global Advisory Groups which provides some further information
> >>>        on the
> >>>        background and objective of these groups at
> >>> 
> http://www.icann.org/en/news/__press/kits/video-__globalization-advisory-groups-__25feb14-en.htm
> >>> 
> <http://www.icann.org/en/news/press/kits/video-globalization-advisory-groups-25feb14-en.htm>.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>        Best regards,
> >>>
> >>>        Marika
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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