[council] Conversation Wrap-Up & Next Steps
Marika Konings
marika.konings at icann.org
Thu Mar 6 13:53:29 UTC 2014
Mikey, at the time of publication Mary and I actually went through the
document that was prepared by GovLabs and made some proposed edits /
additions (see attached). As the primer had already been distributed to the
panel, it was decided not to post a revised version at that stage. However,
if you are now considering posting these on the GNSO web-site, you may want
to consider including the proposed edits which aimed to provide some further
clarifications and details especially in relation to the GNSO PDP.
Best regards,
Marika
From: Mike O'Connor <mike at haven2.com>
Date: Thursday 6 March 2014 14:17
To: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info>
Cc: "bruce.tonkin at melbourneit.com.au" <bruce.tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>,
"council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [council] Conversation Wrap-Up & Next Steps
i¹ve just scanned these primers andŠ
they look really good. i think we (GNSO and GNSO Council) should give these
a careful review and, once they pass muster, give them wider distribution.
maybe on the
³Basics² page of the GNSO website?
thanks for those links Jonathan.
m
On Mar 6, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info>
wrote:
> Agreed and thanks from me too. Good points Mikey.
>
> The issues Mikey raises and related points were some of the concerns I felt
> with regard to the work of the MSI panel.
> Indeed, whilst my original mail below referred to the GNSO in parts, when I
> have used ³we², I mean the Council.
>
> A couple of other background remarks in that may help here:
>
> 1. The MSI Panel based used a couple of primers to inform and normalise
> their understanding
>
> a. The ICANN Primer
> http://www.icann.org/en/about/planning/strategic-engagement/multistakeholder-i
> nnovation/primer-20nov13-en.pdf
>
> b. The ICANN Primer Technical & Business Functions
> http://www.icann.org/en/about/planning/strategic-engagement/multistakeholder-i
> nnovation/primer-tech-business-20nov13-en.pdf
>
> 2. I gathered from my conversations with the Gov Lab people that they had
> made particular efforts and felt that one or more staff had made good steps
> forward in understanding the GNSO.
>
>
> Thanks again,
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au]
> Sent: 05 March 2014 22:11
> To: Mike O'Connor; jrobinson at afilias.info
> Cc: council at gnso.icann.org
> Subject: RE: [council] Conversation Wrap-Up & Next Steps
>
> Hello Mike,
>
> The distinction below I think is very helpful.
>
> Regards,
> Bruce Tonkin
>
>
>
> From:owner-council at gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike O'Connor
> Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2014 8:01 AM
> To: jrobinson at afilias.info
> Cc: council at gnso.icann.org
> Subject: Re: [council] Conversation Wrap-Up & Next Steps
>
> hi Jonathan,
>
>
>
> thanks for this extensive update and your leadership on this topic.
>
>
>
> the key distinction i¹ve been trying to make, in many fora, is the two really
> different kinds of work that happen within the GNSO. they are:
>
>
>
> - SG/Constituency ‹ stakeholder-focused homes for participants in the GNSO.
> these organizations are the focal point for outreach, the ³staircase of
> engagement.² this is where new people are welcomed, acquire the skills and
> knowledge they need to effectively participate in and lead working groups and
> in turn help others join the process. these are ³functions² - they last
> forever and continuously improve their work.
>
>
>
> - Working Groups and the PDP ‹ policy/issue focused ³projects² that have a
> beginning, middle and end. in my view these working groups are the
> ³customers² of the SG/Constituencies and they look to the SG/Constituencies
> for effective participants in the PDPs we supervise.
>
>
>
> the point i¹ve been trying to make to the MSI folks, and others, is that the
> needs of those two parts of the GNSO mission are *really different* and
> introducing changes without a clear understanding of that difference can lead
> to a tremendous tangle. i am quite relaxed, in fact enthusiastic, about some
> of the recommendations when i stand with my Constituency-member hat on. i
> think a lot of the things described in the report would be tremendously
> helpful to us in the ISPCP. i¹m much more cautious about some of these ideas
> in the PDP context ‹ the notion of ³crowdsourced² PDPs makes my blood run
> cold.
>
>
>
> clearly these are only my ideas and they undoubtedly need refinement ‹ but i
> think if we can continue to inform this effort with ideas like those, we stand
> a chance of getting a lot of good ideas from it. i think that we the Council,
> as the stewards of the PDP, need to keep a close eye on improving the pool of
> *qualified* participants in working groups, and not accidentally causing more
> harm than good.
>
>
>
> my two cents. thanks again Jonathan, a really helpful post.
>
>
>
> mikey
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info> wrote:
>
>
> All,
>
> In discussion with Beth Novek and colleagues from the Governance Lab last
> week, a suggestion emerged that we could potentially narrow down the list of
> MSI Panel proposals for more detailed discussion.
>
> It is not yet 100% clear to me as to whether or not we will be able to meet
> with one or more of the team from the Gov Lab in Singapore but it seems likely
> and, in any event, it¹s useful to consider how we might respond to the output
> of the panel, in particular where it seems to link most closely with our own
> work. We discussed condensing their work into a most relevant sub-set for
> further discussion
>
> From their perspective and having made themselves aware of the work of the
> GNSO, the suggested sub-set (from them) for further condensation is as
> follows:
>
> 1. Move from "Stakeholder" engagement to Global Engagement:
> http://bit.ly/1k7FDNj <http://bit.ly/1k7FDNj>
> 2. Use expert networking: http://bit.ly/1lof1c5 <http://bit.ly/1lof1c5>
> 3. Get Broad-based input/crowdsource at each stage of decision-making:
> http://bit.ly/1czpNXn <http://bit.ly/1czpNXn>
> 4. Use Open Data and open contracting: http://bit.ly/1jcv3Rt
> <http://bit.ly/1jcv3Rt>
> 5. Experiment with Innovative Voting Techniques: http://bit.ly/1nwta2H
> <http://bit.ly/1nwta2H>
> 6. Impose Rotating Term Limits: http://bit.ly/1nUmkEr
> <http://bit.ly/1nUmkEr>
>
> I also talked with the Gov Lab people about considering the above proposals
> through a (non-exhaustive) list of criteria as follows:
>
>
> A. Is the proposal relevant to us?
>
> B. Is it currently applicable to our work?
>
> C. How could the proposal be modified/amended/advanced to be applicable or
> more applicable to our work?
>
> D. How might we pilot/test these proposals in order to determine whether and
> how the proposal could be a useful amendment or reform for ICANN?
>
>
>
> None of this pre-supposes that this work was commissioned, initiated or
> executed in a way which we consider optimal.
>
> It simply takes a ³we are where we are² view of the work and recognises that
> we have the opportunity to potentially engage with the team that undertook the
> work.
>
>
>
> In addition, we will still have the opportunity to provide formal public
> comment on this and engage through any other applicable forums at the ICANN
> meeting in Singapore.
>
>
>
> Thoughts or input welcome.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
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