[council] RE: CCWG - Timeline for Approval by GNSO
Edward Morris
egmorris1 at toast.net
Fri Feb 12 20:43:27 UTC 2016
Hi Wolf-Ulrich,
Thanks for this.
I certainly have no objection to an informational call or a call to discuss options or to take temperatures. As previously stated I have a conflict on the 29th and won't be able to attend but I have no problems with others doing so if they feel such a call would have value.
My only concern is voting prior to the final CCWG WS1 meeting on March 4th. That I oppose. I think it's advisable for the GNSO to maintain its options until after that meeting so as to ensure maximum GNSO leverage during that meeting. I'd also be hesitant to vote either way on recommendation 12, for example, until I see what comes out of the March 4th meeting.
As such, although I'm fine with an informational call for folks who want it I would be opposed to any vote whatsoever prior to the evening of March 4th as there is still incoming information from the CCWG that will help inform our vote.
Thanks again, Wolf-Ulrich.
Best,
Ed
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> On 12 Feb 2016, at 20:29, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de> wrote:
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> I understand the option to hold a call on 29 Feb as a chance to discuss where we are and what are the very final remaining issues if there were some. So far I’m in favour of having this call. Voting could then also be just an option in case we could see a chance to solve those issues at the call. But it is not a must.
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> Best regards
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> From: Edward Morris
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 8:21 PM
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> Cc: Phil Corwin ; James M. Bladel ; GNSO Council List
> Subject: Re: [council] RE: CCWG - Timeline for Approval by GNSO
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>> I also support a separate call on 29 February, prior to Marrakech, provided we meet quorum requirements for a Council meeting. I generally agree with Phil: “If we can complete our work on the 29th that would give significant momentum to the Final Accountability Proposal
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> Giving momentum to a CCWG is not the responsibility of the Council. Carefully considering the implications of the results of a CCWG, particularly as rushed as this one, is.
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>> I’m also concerned that if we have the first conversation in Marrakech it will be a meeting of the Council plus those who attend the session, which could result in challenges for the Council in determining what to take on board and what not to.
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> I welcome input from my members and from members of the community who wish to opine on the matter. It's that messy democracy thing. What I do not want is a rushed, forced vote witnessed by few. The more input the better and I, for one, welcome it.
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> One other consideration is the CCWG meeting scheduled for the Friday preceding the meeting. Amongst other things WS2 arrangements will be discussed. WS2 is extremely important for my members and for many in the GNSO. I really want to see what comes out of that meeting before I vote on the supplemental. If forced to vote before this Friday meeting you can anticipate opposition by me to all 12 recommendations. I'm not sure that's the momentum folks here are looking for.
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> We need to maintain our leverage in the Friday meeting via a vis the other ACSOs. I've been doing the CCWG for 14 months now and the one thing I've learned is to expect last minute stunts by some of our fellow groups. We need to maintain all of our options until after that meeting, until the direction of WS2 becomes a lot clearer.
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> I should note we've already discussed these matters ad infitum. I think the package is in pretty good shape unless this early vote is forced. The compromises made since the 3rd report all are in a pro GNSO direction. They have certainly satisfied many of my concerns. That said, if a vote is scheduled prior to the March 4th CCWG meeting I will not support this Supplemental. Simply put, there is no good reason to vote early and if the March 4th meeting results in a way forward for the CCWG that my members do not support...I'm unwilling to go back to them and say, sorry, I voted early to give the transition some "momentum", we're stuck with something we no longer support.
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>> From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin
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>> Subject: RE: [council] RE: CCWG - Timeline for Approval by GNSO
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>> While always respectful of your views, I remain concerned that delaying initiation of our consideration of the Final Proposal until Marrakech will crowd out most other issues on our agenda and still result in rushed and less than fully comprehensive consideration. I would certainly support a Doodle poll to identify other pre-departure for Marrakech dates that might work for Council members.
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>> So far as my “momentum” remark, what I was trying to articulate was a view that the Council, which has understandably lagged behind the other Chartering Organizations due to the size and diversity of its membership, should try to catch up and even get a bit ahead in this final stage of the WS 1 approval process – whether that is to approve the recommendations package or identify one or more that raise continuing concerns.
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>> In any event, I remain of the view that we should try to get a head start on final decisions to be made in Marrakech by holding at least one pre-Marrakech discussion.
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>> From: Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 1:12 PM
>> To: James M. Bladel; GNSO Council List; Phil Corwin
>> Subject: re: [council] RE: CCWG - Timeline for Approval by GNSO
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>> Hi Phil and James,
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>> Although the NCSG has yet to meet and formulate a position on the way forward, my strong personal preference would be not to have a special call and, instead, deal with this issue during our normal course of business in Morocco.
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>> Part of the objection is personal: I'm not available on the 29th. Like many of my colleagues in the noncommercial community whose professional commitments are unrelated to ICANN, my schedule in the week preceding our 12 day (including travel) adventure to Morocco is set and packed. I'll be in the air most of the 29th, travelling from the UK to Minnesota, in a meeting in St. Paul on the 30th, and then heading for Morocco the next day. If we are to have a special call I would ask that a Doodle poll first be conducted to see who could attend and when.
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>> I certainly respect Phil's concerns about delaying our vote. I do, however, believe the CCWG needs to take precedence over other issues. I do understand that those of us in the NCSG are a bit unique in that we freely and individually determine our own votes. For us, having F2F time prior to the full Council meeting to talk about our positions and concerns is very important. Not all of our Councillors have been intensely involved in the CCWG. That said, I would think that other SG's and C's might want to talk things over F2F before rendering a decision on this very important matter as well. In fact, ideally I'd delay the vote until our Tuesday meeting so all of us have ample opportunity to receive input from our members during earlier Constituency and SG meetings before we vote.
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>> I also disagree with Phil when he writes that giving "significant momentum" to the final accountability proposal should be a concern. That's not our job. Our job is to consider the proposal, consult with our members, and vote appropriately. Provided we meet the deadline given to us by the CCWG we've done our job.
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>> From: "Phil Corwin" <psc at vlaw-dc.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 5:37 PM
>> To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com>, "GNSO Council List" <council at gnso.icann.org>
>> Subject: [council] RE: CCWG - Timeline for Approval by GNSO
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>> This matter was just discussed on the regularly scheduled call of the BC, followed by further discussion among the BC Excomm members.
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>> The strong preference of the BC is for Council to schedule a Special Session call on 2/29. There have been only a few significant changes to the Recommendations since Council last reviewed them, so we are not starting de novo. If we can complete our work on the 29th that would give significant momentum to the Final Accountability Proposal. If we can’t complete the work then at least we should be able to identify the few remaining Recommendations on which there may still be concerns, and then zero in on them in Marrakech.
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>> The BC has significant concerns about not starting the process until Saturday, March 5th (not 4th), as that could unduly impact our consideration of other matters on our agenda. Also, many of us will be jetlagged, and there are always unanticipated travel delays that may prevent some Councilors from participating.
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>> Also, since our final action on the Charter for the RPM review WG will apparently be scheduled for Marrakech, we want to make sure that Council has sufficient time to complete it. The New gTLD Subsequent Rounds WG was authorized last month and as the two WGs will be coordinating it would be best to have their launches as close together as feasible.
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>> From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of James M. Bladel
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>> Council Colleagues -
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>> Earlier this week, the CCWG-Accountability Co-Chairs updated the timeline for delivery of their Final / Supplemental report, which is now expected to be delivered to Chartering Organizations (GNSO) on 18 FEB.
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>> And yesterday, the community received an update from Theresa Swinehart on how the Community would deliver the final proposal to the ICANN Board for review, approval, and submission to NTIA (attached). The Board is scheduled to complete this task at their Thursday session at ICANN 55 in Marrakesh on 10 MAR.
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>> The period bookended by these two dates — 18 FEB through 10 MAR—represents the time frame in which the ICANN Community must review and approve (or reject) the CCWG report and recommendations. In our case, this work includes confirming that the pre-requisites established by the CWG-Stewardship have been satisfied (see: letter from GNSO Chairs to CWG-Stewardship Chairs, http://gnso.icann.org/en/correspondence/bladel-to-robinson-fuhr-09feb16-en.pdf).
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>> It goes without saying that this is a very tight schedule, even if everything goes exactly according to plan. And there are only a few chances for the Council to gather, discuss the views of our Stakeholder Groups and Constituencies, and ultimately vote on the CCWG report.
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>> To give ourselves the best opportunity to deliver, I propose that we augment our meeting schedule between now and the deadline by one or more of these options:
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>> (1) Hold a Special Session of the GNSO Council on 29 FEB @ 2100UTC – Our procedures require 7 day advance notice to convene an off-calendar meeting of the GNSO Council. This date would be available following our next call and delivery of the CCWG report on 18 FEB, and completing this work before Marrakesh would be a huge win. Downside: This will only allow 11 days for SGs/Cs to review & discuss the report, and many of us will be departing for Marrakesh shortly thereafter.
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>> (2) Re-purpose some or all of the time on Saturday 4 MAR as a Special Session – This is already on everyone’s calendar, and would be an excellent time to discuss the CCWG and conduct a vote, and would provide another week or so for SG/C review. Downside: We would need to sacrifice some portion of our “usual” Saturday agenda. For example, we could ask for Working Group updates via email, rather than in person.
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>> (3) Re-purpose some or all of the time on Tuesday, 8 MAR as a Special Session – This meeting is also already on the calendar. Typically it has been an informal discussion among the Council to prepare for the Wednesday Public Meeting, so we would sacrifice some or all of that. And with another meeting the next day, there wouldn’t be much time to work out any last minute issues.
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>> Regardless of which option(s) we choose, we must consider the Public Meeting on 9 MAR as a can’t-miss deadline for our approval (or reaction) of the CCWG. Also, we should look for opportunities to parallelize work streams, for example, by initiating the SG/C processes to review the CCWG as soon as possible.
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>> This is what I propose for discussion on our next call. There may be other options as well, so please bring your ideas next Thursday.
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>> Thanks for reading this far, and looking forward to our time together next week.
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