[council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs] [Potential Spoof] Re: [Ssr2-review] Statement from SO/AC Chairs on the suspension of the Security and Stability Review

Wed Nov 15 00:07:52 UTC 2017

Thanks, Donna, for your thoughts on this.

The Board clearly committed in public sessions in AD and previously to
providing minute-taking support, so this may in fact have resolved the
staff support issue. If other staff support is needed, this needs to be
explicitly specified by SSR2 (perhaps already done, I'm not sure?).

I take your point about other RTs, but until we are dealing with explicitly
stated concerns and not simply rumblings and grumblings, I'm personally
loathe to take any action. Therefore I'm very keen to hear others' views so
we can be sure that the full range of Councillors' views are captured.

Best wishes,

Heather

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
wrote:

> Thanks for the update Heather.
>
>
>
> It’s somewhat discerning that other SO/AC leaders continue to have
> concerns about the SSR2, but are not willing to share publicly what these
> are. It makes me wonder whether adding more members to the team will
> actually address any of the concerns or whether we are just providing an
> interim solution.
>
>
>
> I’ve been listening to some of the recordings of meetings in Abu Dhabi and
> it addition to the composition of the SSR2, there also seems to be some
> resourcing issues in terms of the provision of ICANN staff support. Do we
> know if this is an issue that is impacting the ability of the SSR2 to meet
> their published timelines?
>
>
>
> If there are genuine concerns about the ability of the SSR2 to be a
> constructive team, the following blogs don’t reflect that:
>
>
>
> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/an-update-from-the-
> second-security-stability-and-resiliency-of-the-domain-name-
> system-dns-review-team-ssr2
>
> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/a-conversation-with-members-of-the-second-
> security-stability-and-resiliency-of-the-domain-name-
> system-dns-review-team-ssr2
>
>
>
> Given the uncertainty that the SSR2 finds itself, and an admission by
> Chris Disspain in one of the public sessions in Abu Dhabi, that the Board
> and the community is in unchartered waters because there is no process for
> dealing with concerns that may arise about review teams, I wonder whether
> it makes sense to put the other review team efforts on hold until this is
> worked through. I recall that Susan and Stephanie did raise some concerns
> about the potential impact on the work of the RDS/WHOIS2 RT.
>
>
>
> Donna
>
>
>
> *From:* council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Heather
> Forrest
> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2017 5:53 PM
> *To:* GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] [Potential Spoof] Re:
> [Ssr2-review] Statement from SO/AC Chairs on the suspension of the Security
> and Stability Review
>
>
>
> Dear Council colleagues,
>
>
>
> An update on the status of SSR2 and the involvement of the SO/AC leaders.
>
>
>
> We (SO/AC leaders) received the emails below from Denise and SSR2 with
> attached scoping document and skills matrix, and a request as to whether
> this meets our requirements to "unpause" their work. We met a few hours ago
> (our first call since ICANN60) to discuss.
>
>
>
> My initial response to the SO/AC leaders was that I felt that we
> collectively were now placed in a difficult position by the Board, as it
> was the Board's requirements (the detail and extent of which are still only
> specified at a high level) that occasioned the "pause", and now we're being
> asked by SSR2 if their documentation meets the community's requirements.
> While I acknowledge that SO/AC leaders collectively took responsibility for
> re-starting SSR2 in our email of 2 Nov, in practice this is awkward, as we
> have somehow assumed the Board's (and/or SSAC's) concerns. My view on this
> was not shared by SSAC (logical, given their letter to Board re SSR2), nor
> by ccNSO, ALAC or RSSAC (GAC not present on the call)- it seems these
> communities have concerns about SSR2 but there is reluctance to document
> these formally.
>
>
>
> Concerns were raised by other leaders about the group's ability to work
> together constructively. I haven't heard anything to this extent, so
> insisted that, if this is the case, it needs to be documented.
>
>
>
> The proposed path forward, which I generally support provided that it is
> done in such a way as to preserve the integrity of SSR2, is to follow up on
> their skills matrix with specific questions about what SSR2 participants
> believe, if anything, the community can do (ie, add members to SSR2 to fill
> weaker skill areas) to facilitate their work.
>
>
>
> We're looking at a next call in one week's time, in order to get back to
> SSR2 as quickly as possible.
>
>
>
> Please take the skills matrix and scoping document back to your SGs and Cs
> for discussion. If your groups believe it is helpful or appropriate to
> provide input to SSR2, please do so directly.
>
>
>
> Many thanks and best wishes,
>
>
>
> Heather
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Denise Michel* <denisemichel at fb.com>
> Date: Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [soac-chairs] [Potential Spoof] Re: [Ssr2-review] Statement
> from SO/AC Chairs on the suspension of the Security and Stability Review
> To: SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org>, SO/AC Leadership List <
> soac-leaders at icann.org>
> Cc: SSR2 <ssr2-review at icann.org>
>
> Dear SO & AC Chairs:
>
>
>
> Please find attached a description of the SSR2 Review Team’s perspective
> of the scope of this review, and a skill matrix developed and completed by
> a majority of the Team. As requested, the SSR2 is completing these
> requested items to “[resolve] the issues identified and discussed before
> and during ICANN60 related to scope and skills.”
>
>
>
> We hope this meets your requirements regarding the Review Team’s
> perspective on the scope of this review and relevant, useful skills. The
> current Terms of Reference for SSR2’s efforts up to the point of this pause
> in our actions, including a detailed view of the scope of the review, can
> be found here
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_SSR_Terms-2Bof-2BReference-3Fpreview-3D_64076120_64948210_SSR2-2DTermsofReference-2DCLEAN-2520v4.0-2520ET.docx&d=DwMFaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=teDjgx9NjKInyfqJe2yKtAnkEYY3gT7Lot7vwNC3t2I&s=D6jAOlMl7WgCrjuXi175p_rnexflPQ5B5owsPxh4u4w&e=>.
> Additional information on SSR2 activities, including the work plan can be
> found on the Review Team’s wiki
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_SSR_SSR2-2BReview&d=DwMFaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=CwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT_QUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g&m=teDjgx9NjKInyfqJe2yKtAnkEYY3gT7Lot7vwNC3t2I&s=PZTu7CB4TvTi6KCOPr1RQya7i6HzfwK8ljoEMKfrueg&e=>
> .
>
>
>
> Please let us know if you require anything further.
>
>
>
> We’d appreciate confirmation of receipt of this email and of the 4 Nov.
> email (copy included below), as well as a response to our previous request
> for information regarding the Team’s “un-pausing” (see below).
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> The Second Security, Stability, and Resiliency of the DNS Review Team
> (SSR2)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *<ssr2-review-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Denise Michel <
> denisemichel at fb.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 12:16 AM
> *To: *SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org>, SO/AC Leadership List <
> soac-leaders at icann.org>
> *Cc: *SSR2 <ssr2-review at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[Potential Spoof] Re: [Ssr2-review] Statement from SO/AC
> Chairs on the suspension of the Security and Stability Review
>
>
>
> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
>
>
>
> As one of the co-chairs of the SSR2, I’ve been asked to share an informal
> update on the Review Team’s work, and a query.
>
>
>
> The SSR2 met Friday 3 Nov., addressed scope and skills as directed, and
> then adjourned, since our work is “paused.”  Specifically, the Review Team
> developed a skills matrix and a document clarifying SSR2’s scope/terms of
> reference. These drafts have been shared with all Review Team members for
> edits (not all participated in the 3 Nov. meeting), and we plan to finalize
> and deliver them to you next week. (Note that SSR2 operates by consensus
> and input from all Team members may necessitate a slight extension of this
> schedule, or not).
>
>
>
> The SSR2 would appreciate receiving information from the chairs on how and
> when you will decide on “un-pausing” this review.  As you can appreciate,
> the Review Team’s volunteers would like more certainty as to their
> schedules. SSR2 previously planned a January face-to-face drafting session
> for which time has been blocked on our calendars and travel arrangements
> have been made. Please advise if we should cancel these.
>
>
>
> Please let us know if you need anything else from the Review Team (cc’d).
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Denise
>
>
>
> Denise Michel
>
> *denisemichel at fb.com <denisemichel at fb.com>*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Patrik Fältström <paf at frobbit.se>
> *Date: *Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 7:29 PM
> *To: *Denise Michel <denisemichel at fb.com>
> *Cc: *SO/AC Leadership List <soac-leaders at icann.org>, SO-AC Chairs List <
> soac-chairs at icann.org>, ICANN Board <icann-board at icann.org>, SSR2 <
> ssr2-review at icann.org>, Eric Osterweil <eosterweil at verisign.com>
> *Subject: *Re: Statement from SO/AC Chairs on the suspension of the
> Security and Stability Review
>
>
>
> Your interpretation is correct. The goal now is to unpause SSR2.
>
>
>
> Please not that I do not have posting rights to the SSR2 list, so the
> moderated message must be released or forwarded by someone with posting
> rights.
>
>
>
>    Best, Patrik
>
>
> On 2 Nov 2017, at 21:06, Denise Michel <denisemichel at fb.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for forwarding, Patrick.
>
>
>
> Could the SO/AC Chairs please clarify the SSR2’s status tonight as the
> SSR2 is meeting tomorrow morning.
>
>
>
> My quick read of this indicates that SSR2 is still “paused” except that
> the Team is to address “resolving the issues identified and discussed
> before and during ICANN60 related to scope and skills.”  That takes the
> work plan and other items off the table.
>
>
>
> Thanks for clarifying.
>
>
>
> Best
>
> Denise
>
>
>
> Denise Michel
>
> Sent via phone
>
> _____________________________
> From: Patrik Fältström <paf at frobbit.se>
> Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 7:42 PM
> Subject: Statement from SO/AC Chairs on the suspension of the Security and
> Stability Review
> To: SO/AC Leadership List <soac-leaders at icann.org>, SO-AC Chairs List <
> soac-chairs at icann.org>, ICANN Board <icann-board at icann.org>, SSR2 <
> ssr2-review at icann.org>, Osterweil, Eric <eosterweil at verisign.com>, Denise
> Michel <denisemichel at fb.com>
>
>
>
> STATEMENT FROM SO/AC CHAIRS ON THE SUSPENSION OF THE SECURITY AND
> STABILITY REVIEW
>
> The Chairs of ICANN’s Supporting Organizations (SOs) and Advisory
> Committees (ACs) acknowledge the 28 October 2017 announcement from the
> Board of Directors, pausing the work of the Security, Stability and
> Resiliency Review Team (SSR2-RT), and the Board's having tasked the SOs and
> ACs in sessions this week with addressing concerns raised by the Board,
> Organizational Effectiveness Committee (OEC), and the Security and
> Stability Advisory Committee (SSAC).
>
> Collectively, we accept responsibility for getting SSR2-RT restarted as
> expeditiously as possible. During various sessions throughout ICANN60, our
> groups have met with the Board and/or members of SSR2-RT to hear their
> concerns. We intend to continue to consult with our respective communities,
> and each other, to assess and address issues relating to the scope,
> composition and participation, resource utilization, and overall work plan
> of the Review.
>
> Additionally, the Board’s unilateral decision to suspend the work of a key
> accountability mechanism has raised questions that go to the independence
> of SSR2-RT, and specific reviews going forward. As a follow-on effort, we
> intend to examine the selection and scoping process for review teams, and
> develop a clear and predictable process for raising and addressing concerns
> about review teams. We also intend to carefully consider the Board's
> action, with a view to preventing similar instances in the future. We look
> forward to working collaboratively with the Board, SSR2-RT and the broader
> community on this task.
>
> The SO/AC Chairs support the SSR2 RT meeting on Friday, 3 November 2017,
> and followup telephone conferences when needed. These are necessary so that
> the team can work on resolving the issues identified and discussed before
> and during ICANN60 related to scope and skills.
>
> Finally, we wish to acknowledge the efforts of our colleagues on the
> SSR2-RT to date, and thank them for their continued commitment towards
> security, stability and resiliency.
>
> Alan Greenberg (Chair ALAC)
> Patrik Fältström (Outgoing Chair SSAC)
> Rod Rasmussen (Incoming Chair SSAC)
> Katrina Sataki (Chair ccNSO)
> Thomas Schneider (Outgoing Chair GAC)
> Manal Ismail (Incoming Chair GAC)
> James Bladel (Outgoing Chair GNSO Council)
> Heather Forrest (Incoming Chair GNSO Council)
> Tripti Sinha(Co-Chair RSSAC)
> Brad Verd (Co-Chair RSSAC)
>
>
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