[council] [EXTERNAL] Re: fellowship questionnaire response
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Fri Apr 6 07:14:35 UTC 2018
I apologize for offering so many edits at this point in the process, I
started out intending to merely fix a couple of gramaticals but was
struck with our fundamental problem here: the need to be positive, as
Donna pointed out, yet insist on some critical thinking and analysis
about the program, as Ayden has stressed on a number of occasions. We
agree we need metrics; I think we might wish to sharpen up the actual
goals of the program as well but there is not a question there which
really offers that opportunity to comment. Regular audits and program
review seem to be required in my view, but it seemed a bit severe to say
that.
I was struck by the absence of fellows in the working group meetings
which I participated in in Puerto Rico. It seems that the fellows are
meeting in separate rooms, away from the main stream of activity. This
strikes me as odd. We should encourage greater immersion in our
activities in my view, and provide mentorship. I have also proposed to
Chris Mondini and his team that we really need a "Zoomer" stream in our
outreach efforts (referring to a Canadian seniors magazine and range of
activities targeted at active retirees) to attract folks with time
available, and deeper experience that might be useful at ICANN (e.g.
accounting, ethics, program review, conflict resolution, foundation work
(think auction proceeds not concrete) etc.). It is great to get young
people but a couple of retired judges might be really handy too.....:-)
Stephanie Perrin
On 2018-04-06 01:52, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi Donna,
>
> Thanks for the comments. I added the 2 suggestions to the attached
> document.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2018-04-06 14:41 GMT+09:00 Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin at team.neustar
> <mailto:Donna.Austin at team.neustar>>:
>
> Hi Rafik
>
> I agree with your first suggestion.
>
> On Q16, could we keep the response as simple as: “Some members of
> Council have a good understanding of the differences, while others
> do not."
>
> Thanks
>
> Donna
>
> *From:*council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org
> <mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Rafik Dammak
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 05, 2018 10:02 PM
> *To:* Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
> *Cc:* Council GNSO <council at gnso.icann.org
> <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] fellowship questionnaire response
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the comments and input
>
> for the first suggestion, I think we can keep it simple as
> suggested under Q #2:"For example, the GNSO council currently has
> two members who benefitted from the fellowship program, while we
> are not inferring any causation"
> that is factual and neutral and doesn't embed any judgment.
>
> For Q #16, I don't see there is support for the options available
> and taking into account the proposals: "Council believes there is
> a risk of potential overlap between the 2 programs. We would like
> to seek clarification regarding the number of recipients who
> benefited from both programs to be used as a metric to monitor the
> overlap and avoid it."
>
> to highlight that need more info about this overlap and indicating
> that should be avoided.
>
> hope those are acceptable.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2018-04-06 6:35 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>
> In principle I have no objection to the Council noting that
> two current Councillors are fellowship alumni, however I do
> not want us to over-inflate the value of the fellowship
> programme. Is it an anomaly or fluke that two fellowship
> alumni are currently Councillors, has this been a typical
> trend for several years now, or is this simply a sign of the
> maturity of the programme that with the passage of time
> participants are going on into more and more leadership
> positions? I don't know the answer to this - and if no one on
> the list does either, perhaps we should condition our
> statement by noting that correlation does not necessarily
> imply causation... Simply being a Councillor does not, in my
> opinion, necessarily provide evidence for the success of the
> fellowship programme. There are all different kinds of
> Councillors; some provide more valuable inputs than others,
> and for the fellowship programme to be held up as some kind of
> success story, we need a way of measuring the performance of
> our Councillors so that we can compare those who have been
> fellows with those who have entered ICANN through other
> avenues. Of course we should not go down that rabbit hole in
> this comment; but all the same, I do not want us to oversell
> the outcomes of the fellowship programme. Thank you.
>
> Regarding question 16, I have observed a disturbing
> trend whereby one participates in the NextGen programme, then
> serves subsequently as a NextGen ambassador, and then becomes
> a fellow three times, a fellow coach another three times (yes,
> fellows coach themselves), then a senior fellow coach three
> times, and in theory, they could then become a booth lead. I
> say 'in theory' because while I am aware of fellows who have
> exhausted that programme, been coaches and senior coaches, and
> gone on to become booth leads, I do not know of any NextGen
> alumni who have done this. But I think it would be possible.
> The NextGen and fellowship programmes are meant to be separate
> and distinct. I find it very problematic that there is an
> overlap of participants between the two tracks, and so I do
> wonder if they could be amalgamated into the one programme.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden Férdeline
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 5 April 2018 4:55 PM, <philippe.fouquart at orange.com
> <mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>> wrote:
>
> Agree, (it’s useful to be sometimes.); the text makes some
> good points in that respect.
>
> Regards,
>
> Philippe
>
> *From:*Michele Neylon - Blacknight
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> <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 05, 2018 4:43 PM
> *To:* FOUQUART Philippe IMT/OLN; Council GNSO
> *Subject:* Re: [council] fellowship questionnaire response
>
> One of the key issues with this entire thing is the
> overall lack of metrics
>
> (Sorry if I’m repetitive)
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
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> *From: *council <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org
> <mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of
> "philippe.fouquart at orange.com
> <mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>"
> <philippe.fouquart at orange.com
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> *Date: *Thursday 5 April 2018 at 15:40
> *To: *Council GNSO <council at gnso.icann.org
> <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [council] fellowship questionnaire response
>
> Colleagues,
>
> Thanks very much to the editing team, I think this is a
> balanced and most helpful input to the “consultation”. As
> an aside, I noted during our San Juan meeting that the
> ISPCP developed an answer and it’s quite consistent with
> what we have here.
>
> I have two comments.
>
> 1. I also think we should include Donna’s comment re.
> Council having fellowship alumni in its current/past
> membership. GNSO constituencies are likely to note
> this in their response; it would be odd for Council
> itself not to. Maybe under Question 2. just say
> something factual like “For example, the GNSO council
> currently has two members who benefitted from the
> fellowship program”. (side comment: 4 has “While there
> has been some evidence of former fellows becoming GNSO
> Councillors”, I’m not sure about the “evidence”:
> either they have been councilors or they haven’t, but
> maybe that’s just my English…:)
>
> 2. Regarding Question #16, if my reading of the criteria
> is correct, the potential overlap between fellowship
> and NextGen at ICANN is the extent to which Fellowship is
> granted to under 30 under/postgrad/PhD students (who
> may/should fall under NextGen at ICANN).
>
> * If that number is zero then there can be no overlap,
> the two things serve separate audiences (maybe there’s
> a discussion to have as to whether the audience is
> relevant to ICANN’s work but that wasn’t the question),
> * if that number is high however, the potential overlap
> is significant, given that the expected inputs from
> those two groups of participants may indeed overlap
> according to the programs.
>
> I haven’t got the figures in that respect and maybe
> seeking clarification as to the number of fellowship
> recipients who might have qualified for nextgen would be
> useful or something to point out as a “metric” to monitor
> moving forward.
>
> Regards,
>
> Philippe
>
> *From:*council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org
> <mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>] *On Behalf Of
> *Rafik Dammak
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 05, 2018 4:33 AM
> *To:* Austin, Donna
> *Cc:* Council GNSO
> *Subject:* Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] fellowship
> questionnaire response
>
> Hi Donna,
>
> Thanks for the comment, I think we can add that
> acknowledgment if you have a text ready.
>
> we still have the Question #16 to resolve with the 2
> options available.
>
> as a reminder, I think the deadline for submitting is
> Friday 6th April.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2018-04-03 9:32 GMT+09:00 Austin, Donna
> <Donna.Austin at team.neustar
> <mailto:Donna.Austin at team.neustar>>:
>
> Thanks Rafik and the small team who worked on this
> response for the Council.
>
> I appreciate the narrow focus on PDPs because that is area
> of responsibility for the council and the need for
> meaningful metrics; however, I think it might also be
> helpful to acknowledge that the Council has been
> well-served by the Fellowship Program by way of a number
> of our Councilors coming to us via the program, for
> example our current councilors, Martin and Arsene. I don’t
> see any downside to acknowledging the value of the program
> from this perspective.
>
> Donna
>
> *From:*council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org
> <mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>] *On Behalf Of
> *Rafik Dammak
> *Sent:* Monday, April 02, 2018 4:27 PM
> *To:* Council GNSO <council at gnso.icann.org
> <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [council] fellowship questionnaire
> response
>
> Hi all,
>
> Please find attached the latest version of the draft
> response to the fellowship questionnaire. It went through
> several revisions based on previous council comments and
> discussion within the small team. We are looking forward
> your input regarding the overall draft to be endorsed as
> council comment and making changes as needed.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
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