[council] [EXTERNAL] Re: fellowship questionnaire response

Sat Apr 7 00:41:59 UTC 2018

Thanks, Pam, that was corrected.

Rafik

2018-04-07 9:35 GMT+09:00 Pam Little <pam.little at alibaba-inc.com>:

> A typo at Q10 : "The program is targetted to bring new, engaged diverse
> members to participate in the community, and this is a goal that the GNSO
> Council hearilyheartily endorses."
>
> Thank you to all who worked on the response.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Pam
>
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> To:Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
> Cc:council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Subject:Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Re: fellowship questionnaire response
>
> Hi all,
>
> please find attached the latest version of the comment. The edits from
> Stephanie were accepted and the mention of anecdotal evidence was removed
> by Marie comment.
> if there is no objection, I think the comment is ready to go.
>
> I  also support Donna idea to have a small team to meet fellowship program
> managers and will be happy to join the team.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2018-04-07 6:36 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.
> utoronto.ca>:
>
> Yes my apologies it was sloppily worded...it is a fact, but we know it not
> because we measured it, but anecdotally.  Not all anecdotes are fake news
> (sorry I could not resist):-)
>
> I would be happy to meet with the fellowship team and discuss, I agree
> that it is far from comfortable casting stones from afar.  We are trying to
> help improve things.
>
> Stephanie
> On 2018-04-06 12:40, Austin, Donna wrote:
>
> Hi Marie, I believe you are correct that it is indeed a fact.
>
>
>
> I also fully support Stephanie’s suggest edits. Stephanie also raises some
> really good points about attracting people with specific skills, I
> certainly agree that a couple of retired judges could be an interesting
> addition to the ICANN mix. Over time the NomCom has come to understand that
> Board members not only need to know about ICANN, but that the Board would
> be well-served by people with specific expertise not dissimilar from some
> that Stephanie suggests for the Fellowship program. I think it makes
> perfect sense to rethink the program and target specific expertise.
>
>
>
> Given the considerable discussion this topic has generated on the Council
> list, I wonder if it would make sense for a small group of council
> volunteers with an interest in this topic to offer to meet with Sally,
> Siranush and Deborah to cover some of our concerns and see how we can
> assist in reshaping the program/s—as I believe that is part of the intent
> of this survey. I think there would be more value in doing this than just
> responding to the survey and casting stones from afar. I’d be willing to be
> part of this effort.
>
>
>
> Thanks again to Rafik for working through the myriad of different opinions
> to come up with a good Council response.
>
>
>
> Donna
>
>
>
> *From:* council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org
> <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Marie Pattullo
> *Sent:* Friday, April 06, 2018 4:06 AM
> *To:* Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>; council at gnso.icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Re: fellowship questionnaire response
>
>
>
> Thanks to all for the work on this; one small point under Q2 – “We note,
> based on anecdotal evidence, that for example, the GNSO council currently
> has two members who benefitted from the fellowship program...” – it’s not
> anecdotal, it’s a fact – no?
>
> Best
>
> Marie
>
>
>
> *From:* council <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org> *On Behalf Of *Stephanie
> Perrin
> *Sent:* Friday, April 6, 2018 9:15 AM
> *To:* council at gnso.icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Re: fellowship questionnaire response
>
>
>
> I apologize for offering so many edits at this point in the process, I
> started out intending to merely fix a couple of gramaticals but was struck
> with our fundamental problem here:  the need to be positive, as Donna
> pointed out, yet insist on some critical thinking and analysis about the
> program, as Ayden has stressed on a number of occasions.  We agree we need
> metrics; I think we might wish to sharpen up the actual goals of the
> program as well but there is not a question there which really offers that
> opportunity to comment.  Regular audits and program review seem to be
> required in my view, but it seemed a bit severe to say that.
>
> I was struck by the absence of fellows in the working group meetings which
> I participated in in Puerto Rico.  It seems that the fellows are meeting in
> separate rooms, away from the main stream of activity.  This strikes me as
> odd.  We should encourage greater immersion in our activities in my view,
> and provide mentorship.  I have also proposed to Chris Mondini and his team
> that we really need a "Zoomer" stream in our outreach efforts (referring to
> a Canadian seniors magazine and range of activities targeted at active
> retirees) to attract folks with time available, and deeper experience that
> might be useful at ICANN (e.g. accounting, ethics, program review, conflict
> resolution, foundation work (think auction proceeds not concrete) etc.).
> It is great to get young people but a couple of retired judges might be
> really handy too.....:-)
>
> Stephanie Perrin
>
>
>
> On 2018-04-06 01:52, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi Donna,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the comments. I added the 2 suggestions to the attached
> document.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Rafik
>
> 2018-04-06 14:41 GMT+09:00 Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>:
>
> Hi Rafik
>
>
>
> I agree with your first suggestion.
>
>
>
> On Q16, could we keep the response as simple as: “Some members of Council
> have a good understanding of the differences, while others do not."
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Donna
>
>
>
> *From:* council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Rafik
> Dammak
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 05, 2018 10:02 PM
> *To:* Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> *Cc:* Council GNSO <council at gnso.icann.org>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [council] fellowship questionnaire response
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the comments and input
>
>
>
> for the first suggestion, I think we can keep it simple as suggested under
> Q #2:"For example, the GNSO council currently has two members who
> benefitted from the fellowship program, while we are not inferring any
> causation"
> that is factual and neutral and doesn't embed any judgment.
>
>
>
> For Q #16, I don't see there is support for the options available and
> taking into account the proposals: "Council believes there is a risk of
> potential overlap between the 2 programs. We would like to seek
> clarification regarding the number of recipients who benefited from
> both programs to be used as a metric to monitor the overlap and avoid it."
>
> to highlight that need more info about this overlap and indicating that
> should be avoided.
>
>
>
> hope those are acceptable.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
> 2018-04-06 6:35 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>
> In principle I have no objection to the Council noting that two current
> Councillors are fellowship alumni, however I do not want us to over-inflate
> the value of the fellowship programme. Is it an anomaly or fluke that two
> fellowship alumni are currently Councillors, has this been a typical trend
> for several years now, or is this simply a sign of the maturity of the
> programme that with the passage of time participants are going on into more
> and more leadership positions? I don't know the answer to this - and if no
> one on the list does either, perhaps we should condition our statement by
> noting that correlation does not necessarily imply causation... Simply
> being a Councillor does not, in my opinion, necessarily provide evidence
> for the success of the fellowship programme. There are all different kinds
> of Councillors; some provide more valuable inputs than others, and for the
> fellowship programme to be held up as some kind of success story, we need a
> way of measuring the performance of our Councillors so that we can compare
> those who have been fellows with those who have entered ICANN through other
> avenues. Of course we should not go down that rabbit hole in this comment;
> but all the same, I do not want us to oversell the outcomes of the
> fellowship programme. Thank you.
>
>
>
> Regarding question 16, I have observed a disturbing trend whereby one
> participates in the NextGen programme, then serves subsequently as a
> NextGen ambassador, and then becomes a fellow three times, a fellow coach
> another three times (yes, fellows coach themselves), then a senior fellow
> coach three times, and in theory, they could then become a booth lead. I
> say 'in theory' because while I am aware of fellows who have exhausted that
> programme, been coaches and senior coaches, and gone on to become booth
> leads, I do not know of any NextGen alumni who have done this. But I think
> it would be possible. The NextGen and fellowship programmes are meant to be
> separate and distinct. I find it very problematic that there is an overlap
> of participants between the two tracks, and so I do wonder if they could be
> amalgamated into the one programme.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Ayden Férdeline
>
>
>
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
> On 5 April 2018 4:55 PM, <philippe.fouquart at orange.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Agree, (it’s useful to be sometimes.); the text makes some good points in
> that respect.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Philippe
>
>
>
> *From:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight [mailto:michele at blacknight.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 05, 2018 4:43 PM
> *To:* FOUQUART Philippe IMT/OLN; Council GNSO
> *Subject:* Re: [council] fellowship questionnaire response
>
>
>
> One of the key issues with this entire thing is the overall lack of metrics
>
>
>
> (Sorry if I’m repetitive)
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
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> *From: *council <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org> on behalf of "
> philippe.fouquart at orange.com" <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
> *Date: *Thursday 5 April 2018 at 15:40
> *To: *Council GNSO <council at gnso.icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [council] fellowship questionnaire response
>
>
>
> Colleagues, <#m_8225290479495632733_this>
>
>
>
> Thanks very much to the editing team, I think this is a balanced and most
> helpful input to the “consultation”. As an aside, I noted during our San
> Juan meeting that the ISPCP developed an answer and it’s quite consistent
> with what we have here.
>
>
>
> I have two comments.
>
>
>
>    1. I also think we should include Donna’s comment re. Council having
>    fellowship alumni in its current/past membership. GNSO constituencies are
>    likely to note this in their response; it would be odd for Council itself
>    not to. Maybe under Question 2. just say something factual like “For
>    example, the GNSO council currently has two members who benefitted from the
>    fellowship program”. (side comment: 4 has “While there has been some
>    evidence of former fellows becoming GNSO Councillors”, I’m not sure
>    about the “evidence”: either they have been councilors or they haven’t, but
>    maybe that’s just my English…:)
>
>
>
>    1. Regarding Question #16, if my reading of the criteria is correct,
>    the potential overlap between fellowship and NextGen at ICANN is the
>    extent to which Fellowship is granted to under 30 under/postgrad/PhD
>    students (who may/should fall under NextGen at ICANN).
>
>
>    - If that number is zero then there can be no overlap, the two things
>    serve separate audiences (maybe there’s a discussion to have as to whether
>    the audience is relevant to ICANN’s work but that wasn’t the question),
>    - if that number is high however, the potential overlap is
>    significant, given that the expected inputs from those two groups of
>    participants may indeed overlap according to the programs.
>
>
>
> I haven’t got the figures in that respect and maybe seeking clarification
> as to the number of fellowship recipients who might have qualified for
> nextgen would be useful or something to point out as a “metric” to monitor
> moving forward.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Philippe
>
>
>
> *From:* council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org
> <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Rafik Dammak
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 05, 2018 4:33 AM
> *To:* Austin, Donna
> *Cc:* Council GNSO
> *Subject:* Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] fellowship questionnaire response
>
>
>
> Hi Donna,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the comment, I think we can add that acknowledgment if you have
> a text ready.
>
> we still have the Question #16 to resolve with the 2 options available.
>
> as a reminder, I think the deadline for submitting is Friday 6th April.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Rafik
>
> 2018-04-03 9:32 GMT+09:00 Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>:
>
> Thanks Rafik and the small team who worked on this response for the
> Council.
>
>
>
> I appreciate the narrow focus on PDPs because that is area of
> responsibility for the council and the need for meaningful metrics;
> however, I think it might also be helpful to acknowledge that the Council
> has been well-served by the Fellowship Program by way of a number of our
> Councilors coming to us via the program, for example our current
> councilors, Martin and Arsene. I don’t see any downside to acknowledging
> the value of the program from this perspective.
>
>
>
> Donna
>
>
>
> *From:* council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Rafik
> Dammak
> *Sent:* Monday, April 02, 2018 4:27 PM
> *To:* Council GNSO <council at gnso.icann.org>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [council] fellowship questionnaire response
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Please find attached the latest version of the draft response to the
> fellowship questionnaire. It went through several revisions based on
> previous council comments and discussion within the small team. We are
> looking forward your input regarding the overall draft to be endorsed as
> council comment and making changes as needed.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
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