[council] Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update

Tue Apr 9 22:41:16 UTC 2019

Hi,

I thought that the current language is neutral since it is not setting a
specific threshold or condition (such having some score in TOEIC, TOFEL,
IETLS etc) and leave that to applicants who can demonstrate that through
their application which is in English.
can a different wording alleviate the concerns?

Best,

Rafik
Le mer. 10 avr. 2019 à 01:30, <philippe.fouquart at orange.com> a écrit :

> It counts obviously but not sure this condition is useful either, or that
> it brings anything to the list for that matter: can we reasonably expect
> people to have a “Knowledge of the GNSO policy development process […]”
> without reasonable good language skills? Because for general speaking and
> listening skills, I would think B1 English level is good enough if that
> means anything to people.
>
>
>
> I’m not even sure it looks good for GNSO to say you *have* to speak good
> English to join the band;
>
>
>
> Otherwise the list looks good to me, maybe we could have something to the
> effect that those who may potentially be new constituency members in the
> future would be welcome. Just a thought.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Philippe
>
>
>
> *From:* council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Martin
> Pablo Silva Valent
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 09, 2019 6:03 PM
> *To:* Arsene Bajuma
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> *Subject:* Re: [council] Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
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> I agree, for several fellows in the past, the experience was a big
> intensive improvement in their English, so it is tricky to marginalize less
> fluent people only based on that. Fluently is usually acquired in
> experiences like this one. I would say they require some basic level to
> follow the debate, like they do currently, but not professional level.
> Remember a lot of their value is their relevance on their community back
> home, not only to work in icann matter but to take their acquired knowledge
> on their own IG work.
>
>
> Martin Silva Valent
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> On Apr 9, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for this ongoing effort. I have read the following as part of
> the bullet points/
>
> "Ability to communicate in English orally and in writing, in a
> respectful and constructive manner"
>
> I would like to object to this statement. The ability to speak English
> SHOULD NOT, in my opinion, be a criterion when selecting a member of
> the fellowship program.
>
> Happy to hear what you all think here.
>
> Thanks,
> Arsene
>
> 2019-04-09 12:15 UTC+02:00, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo at aim.be>:
>
> Merci!
>
> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 12:14 PM
> To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo at aim.be>
> Cc: Pam Little <pam.little at alibaba-inc.com>; Darcy Southwell
> <darcy.southwell at endurance.com>; council <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>;
> council at gnso.icann.org
> Subject: Re: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
>
> Hi Marie,
>
> I think that is fine.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le mar. 9 avr. 2019 à 17:25, Marie Pattullo
> <marie.pattullo at aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo at aim.be
> <marie.pattullo at aim.be>>> a écrit :
> I’m talking to the BC Rafik; hoping it’s not too late for me to send
> comments in on Thursday?
> Best
> Marie
>
> From: council
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> Subject: Re: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
>
> Thank you for the reminder, Rafik
>
> I have updated the strawman list of criteria/desirable skills Heather has
> kindly put together. I have tried to incorporate Darcy's feedback but
> welcome further input/suggestions.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Pam
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> Recipient:Darcy Southwell
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> Subject:Re: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
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> Thanks Darcy for the feedback.
> I would like to ask other councillors to share their input in order to
> update the list.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le mar. 2 avr. 2019 à 03:24, Darcy Southwell
> <darcy.southwell at endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell at endurance.com
> <darcy.southwell at endurance.com>>> a
> écrit :
> Thanks for sharing, Rafik.
>
> When I think about fellowship selection, I also think about how we measure
> success once a fellow has been selected and completed any level of
> participation.  I think much of what is outlined is the strawman is
> valuable
> for selection criteria.  When we refer to “awareness,” we’re really
> referring to knowledge, and we may want to establish definitions of
> knowledge levels.  For example, consider this these:
>
>
> •         Familiar = becoming aware, first introduction
>
> •         Basic = ability to talk about at a high level
>
> •         Fluent = comfortable getting into detail and teaching others
>
> •         Expert = subject matter expert, let me write a book on the
> subject
>
> Working with defined levels of knowledge allows the Council to evaluate the
> effectiveness of the selection criteria and the engagement efforts that
> take
> place with the fellows to enable their growth and engagement in the
> community.
>
> Thanks,
> Darcy
>
>
> From: council
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> <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>>> On
> Behalf Of Rafik Dammak
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:22 PM
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> Subject: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am sharing update from Heather regarding the fellowship selection
> committee and strawman document for GNSO specific skills expected from
> fellows, for council review and input.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> De : Heather Forrest
> Date: mer. 13 mars 2019 à 17:38
> Subject: Re: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
> To:
>
> Dear Keith, Rafik, Pam,
>
> Now that the Council meeting of ICANN64 is behind you, I return to the
> request from the Fellowship Selection Committee for GNSO-specific target
> skills for ICANN Fellows in the ICANN66 selection round.
>
> For your post-ICANN64 action item list, attached is the strawman I
> volunteered to prepare. If Council can finalise its list of criteria at or
> before its April meeting, these should be able to be applied to the ICANN66
> selection round.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Heather
>
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