[council] Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
Darcy Southwell
darcy.southwell at endurance.com
Wed Apr 10 15:58:53 UTC 2019
I agree with the comments about the English language requirement. That's
unreasonable and is a discouraging component.
Regarding the bullet about communication, what if we considered this:
"Ability and willingness to communicate orally and in writing in a manner
consistent with ICANN’s Expected Standards of Behavior." And then we could
delete the next bullet about "willingness to adhere...."
I have to put some additional thought into Ayden's comments about the new
purpose of the Fellowship program, but my immediate reaction is that the new
purpose doesn't warrant a change in expectations. Whatever program criteria
is established, I feel it should serve two purposes: 1) allowing the
selection team to identify the most appropriate candidates for
participation, and 2) measuring the effectiveness of the program.
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Me too.
Osvaldo Novoa
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El 10 abr. 2019, a la(s) 10:24, Martin Pablo Silva Valent
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I agree with Philippe point.
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On Apr 10, 2019, at 4:52 AM,
philippe.fouquart at orange.com<mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com> wrote:
Thanks Rafik. The point was not to call for a specific level, I agree, but
to say that given the other criteria, this particular one is pointless IMO,
and would suggest to delete it.
In other words, if the applicant can demonstrate they “know the GNSO PDP”,
or is “able [
] to actively contribute to GNSO activity [
] via remote
participation in conference calls or a group mailing list”, asking whether
they can speak, understand, or write in decent English is futile.
It’s really just a personal opinion and not a strong one, but it’s
worthwhile noting that within the ISPCP we already have a number of members
who would intervene in a manner that could be misconstrued as
“disrespectful” to a native speaker (to use the word of the document), and
yet once you ignore the form and focus on substance, their inputs are
invaluable to our community of ISPs because they’re from part of the
Internet ecosystem we sometimes have difficulty reaching out to.
Regards,
Philippe
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Subject: Re: [council] Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
Hi,
I thought that the current language is neutral since it is not setting a
specific threshold or condition (such having some score in TOEIC, TOFEL,
IETLS etc) and leave that to applicants who can demonstrate that through
their application which is in English.
can a different wording alleviate the concerns?
Best,
Rafik
Le mer. 10 avr. 2019 à 01:30,
<philippe.fouquart at orange.com<mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>> a écrit
:
It counts obviously but not sure this condition is useful either, or that it
brings anything to the list for that matter: can we reasonably expect people
to have a “Knowledge of the GNSO policy development process [
]” without
reasonable good language skills? Because for general speaking and listening
skills, I would think B1 English level is good enough if that means anything
to people.
I’m not even sure it looks good for GNSO to say you have to speak good
English to join the band;
Otherwise the list looks good to me, maybe we could have something to the
effect that those who may potentially be new constituency members in the
future would be welcome. Just a thought.
Regards,
Philippe
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Subject: Re: [council] Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
I agree, for several fellows in the past, the experience was a big intensive
improvement in their English, so it is tricky to marginalize less fluent
people only based on that. Fluently is usually acquired in experiences like
this one. I would say they require some basic level to follow the debate,
like they do currently, but not professional level. Remember a lot of their
value is their relevance on their community back home, not only to work in
icann matter but to take their acquired knowledge on their own IG work.
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On Apr 9, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Arsène Tungali
<arsenebaguma at gmail.com<mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks for this ongoing effort. I have read the following as part of the
bullet points/
"Ability to communicate in English orally and in writing, in a respectful
and constructive manner"
I would like to object to this statement. The ability to speak English
SHOULD NOT, in my opinion, be a criterion when selecting a member of the
fellowship program.
Happy to hear what you all think here.
Thanks,
Arsene
2019-04-09 12:15 UTC+02:00, Marie Pattullo
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Merci!
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Hi Marie,
I think that is fine.
Best,
Rafik
Le mar. 9 avr. 2019 à 17:25, Marie Pattullo
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I’m talking to the BC Rafik; hoping it’s not too late for me to send
comments in on Thursday?
Best
Marie
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Thank you for the reminder, Rafik
I have updated the strawman list of criteria/desirable skills Heather has
kindly put together. I have tried to incorporate Darcy's feedback but
welcome further input/suggestions.
Kind regards,
Pam
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Thanks Darcy for the feedback.
I would like to ask other councillors to share their input in order to
update the list.
Best Regards,
Rafik
Le mar. 2 avr. 2019 à 03:24, Darcy Southwell
<darcy.southwell at endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell at endurance.com><mailto:
darcy.southwell at endurance.com>> a écrit :
Thanks for sharing, Rafik.
When I think about fellowship selection, I also think about how we measure
success once a fellow has been selected and completed any level of
participation. I think much of what is outlined is the strawman is valuable
for selection criteria. When we refer to “awareness,” we’re really
referring to knowledge, and we may want to establish definitions of
knowledge levels. For example, consider this these:
• Familiar = becoming aware, first introduction
• Basic = ability to talk about at a high level
• Fluent = comfortable getting into detail and teaching others
• Expert = subject matter expert, let me write a book on the
subject
Working with defined levels of knowledge allows the Council to evaluate the
effectiveness of the selection criteria and the engagement efforts that take
place with the fellows to enable their growth and engagement in the
community.
Thanks,
Darcy
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Hi all,
I am sharing update from Heather regarding the fellowship selection
committee and strawman document for GNSO specific skills expected from
fellows, for council review and input.
Best,
Rafik
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De : Heather Forrest
Date: mer. 13 mars 2019 à 17:38
Subject: Re: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
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Dear Keith, Rafik, Pam,
Now that the Council meeting of ICANN64 is behind you, I return to the
request from the Fellowship Selection Committee for GNSO-specific target
skills for ICANN Fellows in the ICANN66 selection round.
For your post-ICANN64 action item list, attached is the strawman I
volunteered to prepare. If Council can finalise its list of criteria at or
before its April meeting, these should be able to be applied to the ICANN66
selection round.
Best wishes,
Heather
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