[council] Further on dot québec

Sun Oct 22 10:18:01 UTC 2023

Hi all - I think this conversation points out the need for an Issues Report
before Council can deal effectively with recommended next steps.

Anne

Anne Aikman-Scalese
GNSO Councilor
NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2024
anneicanngnso at gmail.com

On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 2:04 AM Mark Datysgeld via council <
council at gnso.icann.org> wrote:

> But it is an exception, at least for the time being. Can we be on the same
> page that it is an exception?
> On 22 Oct 2023 10:56, Susan Payne wrote:
>
> Absolutely Thomas, it is not just a simple question of “let them have the
> TLD”.
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> <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org> *On Behalf Of *Thomas Rickert |
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> *Sent:* Sunday, October 22, 2023 10:38 AM
> *To:* Mark Datysgeld <mark at governanceprimer.com>
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> *Subject:* Re: [council] Further on dot québec
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> Thanks for your analysis, Mark.
>
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>
> I may have missed this, but has there been any discussion around
> grandfathering or bundles of SLDs under both TLDs that would help avoid
> confusion of an identical second level domain under both TLDs?
>
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> Thomas
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> *Von: *council <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org> im Auftrag von Mark
> Datysgeld via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
> *Antworten an: *Mark Datysgeld <mark at governanceprimer.com>
> *Datum: *Sonntag, 22. Oktober 2023 um 10:17
> *An: *"council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>
> *Betreff: *[council] Further on dot québec
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> I have been studying the Latin Script Root Zone Label Generation Rules [
> here
> <https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/lgr/proposal-japanese-lgr-20dec21-en.xml>]
> and, for practical purposes, (U+0065) vs. é (U+00E9) are not variants. The
> variants for lower case Latin letter "e" are listed under "Variant Set 3"
> and consist of one homoglyph (forward and reverse mapping) and
> one out-of-repertoire (reflexive) instance, both which do not apply here.
> Also, é (U+00E9) is recognized as part of the French language in the
> document, so linguistic relevance is recognized there.
>
> Potential for malice also does not come up as a significant concern in the
> LGR, as opposed to something like dotted i (U+0069) vs. dotless i (U+0131),
> for example.
>
> That said, considering that we are dealing with a geoTLD, linguistic and
> cultural relevance are important aspects, and looking into the writing of
> the word "Québec" on the Web, both the the "e" and "é" cases seem to be
> widely employed, in such a way that they are interchangeable in a way. If
> these TLDs were to be managed independently, that would almost certainly
> lead to confusion.
>
> However, the requestor of the accented TLD is the same as that of the
> ASCII TLD, which is PointQuébec, so we are looking into a "same entity"
> situation. If PointQuébec were to run both TLDs as if they were the same
> (as if they were variants), meaning that domain names would resolve
> consistently instead of being operated independently, this would allow the
> people of Québec the linguistic freedom to utilize their language while at
> the same time avoiding confusion.
>
> Since, as Seb pointed out, this is the only applicant from the first round
> reaching out to have this issue resolved, it does not seem to be out of
> scope to simply recognize their request, and allow them to operate the TLDs
> in this way, more than anything because there seems to be no good reason
> not to. We would just need to be very clear about the necessity of both
> TLDs operating in this consistent manner.
>
> Best,
>
> --
> Mark W. Datysgeld [markwd.website]
> Director at Governance Primer [governanceprimer.com]
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