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<p>Strongly support Manju's clarification. Folks, you do not have to
support our view, you just have to support our right to express it
clearly.</p>
<p>Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2022-04-25 9:19 p.m., 陳曼茹 Manju Chen
via council wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi all,</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">I'm not
sure which version we're checking now, but I want to point out
that the version I see, where it says 'the NCSG expressed its
opposition to the conversation between the Council and the GAC<u><b>
on this subject</b></u>' is inaccurate.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">As we
have repeatedly stated, it's not the subject of the dialogue
we oppose, but the approach initiated by the Board.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">I
strongly opposed the edits as it mischaracterize NCSG's
position and reasons for objection.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">I would
suggest we just keep the sentence as it was, better if we add
a line of clarification: </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">While the
Council is willing to pursue these next steps, it is important
to note that Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group expressed its
opposition to the approach. The NCSG will communicate directly
to the Board regarding the rationale of their opposition. <br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Many
thanks,</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Manju</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 7:40
AM Justine Chew via council <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">council@gnso.icann.org</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Philippe,<br>
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Thank you for taking on board my suggestion -- what you have
included in your version 4 at the end of para 3 works for
me. <br clear="all">
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<font color="#000000">Best,</font><br>
<font color="#000000">Justine</font><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 at
00:45, <<a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks Paul,
you might indeed, you might :) I have the same
impression of there being nothing controversial in
these changes, but they provide useful context,
hence the suggested inclusion.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I should have
said shorter, in fact, rather than concise.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Philippe
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> McGrady, Jr.,
Paul D. <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">PMcGrady@taftlaw.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 25, 2022 6:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> FOUQUART Philippe INNOV/NET <<a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>>;
Justine Chew <<a href="mailto:justine.chew.icann@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">justine.chew.icann@gmail.com</a>>;
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<b>Cc:</b> Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</a>>;
Kurt Pritz <<a href="mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">kurt@kjpritz.com</a>>;
GNSO Secs <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] Draft letter to
the Board on closed generics dialogue</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Thanks
Phillippe. Since Justine didn’t express what the
ALAC did not like about my proposed enhancements,
and since being concise means “brief but
<b>comprehensive</b>”, might I <u>cheekily</u>
suggest that my very modest changes resulted in
the more concise version since I really do believe
that some of the framing in your initial draft
didn’t contain all of the necessary information
needed for the Board to understand where we are
coming from on this. Nothing I included should be
controversial.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Paul</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a> <<a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 25, 2022 11:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Justine Chew <<a href="mailto:justine.chew.icann@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">justine.chew.icann@gmail.com</a>>;
McGrady, Jr., Paul D. <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">PMcGrady@taftlaw.com</a>>;
council@gnso icann. org <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</a>>;
Kurt Pritz <<a href="mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">kurt@kjpritz.com</a>>;
GNSO Secs <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] Draft letter to
the Board on closed generics dialogue</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">[responding
to Justine’s email that followed Paul’s]</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear
Councilors,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Paul’s
suggestions seem to be essentially quoting the
letter and framing paper – however, if like
Justine below, some councilors would consider
that context to be unnecessary or restrictive,
let the list know, (and if so, for ease of
editing and given the time constraint we’d
revert back to the previous - more concise -
version)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a id="gmail-m_-2238674363186341520gmail-m_-2868853606913068576OWAAMA6A891BE613D4F118707EB3F8E420FA1" href="mailto:justine.chew.icann@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-decoration:none">@Justine</span></a>
I’ve slightly reworded your other suggestion to
make it sound less one-directional, at the risk
of stating the obvious. Hope that’ll work.
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Philippe </span></p>
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<<a href="mailto:justine.chew.icann@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">justine.chew.icann@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 25, 2022 10:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> McGrady, Jr., Paul D. <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">PMcGrady@taftlaw.com</a>>;
FOUQUART Philippe INNOV/NET <<a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</a>>;
Kurt Pritz <<a href="mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">kurt@kjpritz.com</a>>;
GNSO Secs <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Draft letter to
the Board on closed generics dialogue</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Paul, <br>
<br>
I think the simpler version 2 of the draft
reply with amendments as proposed by Philippe
regarding references to (a) NCSG's letter and
(b) "modalities" is sufficient for the present
purposes.<br>
<br>
Hello Philippe,<br>
<br>
My 3rd point was a suggestion to indicate that
Council is undertaking some thinking for the
dialogue, so, perhaps something along the
lines of the following could be considered?
While I won't insist on it, I think it's
useful to provide some context on the timing
of this response.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>It is on that
basis that the Council is willing to
pursue next steps for the
facilitated dialogue, subject to
mutual agreement with the GAC on the
conditions <u><span style="color:black">which the
Council is preparing to propose</span></u> for
that dialogue.</i></p>
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Thanks,</span><br>
<span style="color:black">Justine</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at
04:11, McGrady, Jr., Paul D. <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">PMcGrady@taftlaw.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Thanks Philippe, Kurt,
Justine, and Jeff.
</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Dear All:</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">I’m happy with the NCSG’s
letter being attached, or not, but I
do think it is important to at least
call it out since we don’t want to
give the misimpression that the
Council is completely unified on this
topic. I for one have a
<b><u>great deal of sympathy</u></b>
with the idea that GAC advice should
not restart policy work in the GNSO,
but rather the Board needs to figure
out how to implement (via IRT) both
the completed policy Recommendations
and the GAC advice in the next version
of the Applicant Guidebook (like they
did with much of the GAC advice that
rolled in after the policy work was
done for the first round). Hopefully
something will come out of this
dialogue that helps in that process.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">As for the letter itself,
I think we could just as easily say
“Dear Board, of course we are happy to
talk with the GAC about their
concerns. We will reach out to them
and get it set up.” But, we do like
our letters here in ICANNland, so my
marked up version (based off the last
version sent by Philippe) is
attached. If we are going to frame
the issues, instead of just a quick
“we are on it” response, I think a
tiny bit of more detail of how we got
here makes sense. Hopefully my
proposed changes (which are in red on
my screen) will be viewed as friendly
amendments, which is the spirit in
which they are offered.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Thank all!</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Best,</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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2022 1:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</a>>;
Justine Chew <<a href="mailto:justine.chew.icann@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">justine.chew.icann@gmail.com</a>>;
Kurt Pritz <<a href="mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">kurt@kjpritz.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> GNSO Secs <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council]
Draft letter to the Board on
closed generics dialogue</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kurt,
Justine, Jeff, thanks for the
inputs.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On
1) and reference to the NCSG’s
letter: The reference is on record
with the minutes, and can also be
found in the Council list archive, I
don’t think there’s any risk this
goes unnoticed, I’d suggest we
simply say While the Council is
willing to pursue these next steps,
it is important to note that
Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group
expressed its opposition to the
approach.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Manju
(since it is you who spoke on this
during our call): would you be fine
with this?
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On
2) and modalities, I’d suggest we go
for Jeff’s edits and simply say in
the second paragraph:
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The
Council is appreciative of the ICANN
Board’s attention to GNSO related
matters and is willing to pursue
next steps for the facilitated
dialogue, subject to mutual
agreement with the GAC on the
conditions for that dialogue.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Ironically,
in French, the equivalent of
‘modalities’ has a sense of a series
of menial tasks that the authors
would consider a) quite
straightforward and b) as a result,
generally not worth doing by
themselves. Neither of which would
probably be true here I think. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">It
seems 2) alleviates the need to
elaborate as, Justine, you suggested
with your 3<sup>rd</sup> point but
let us know if it doesn’t work.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As
attached with diff marks.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Philippe
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<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 22,
2022 3:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Justine Chew <<a href="mailto:justine.chew.icann@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">justine.chew.icann@gmail.com</a>>;
Kurt Pritz <<a href="mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">kurt@kjpritz.com</a>>;
FOUQUART Philippe INNOV/NET <<a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> GNSO Secs <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>>;
council@gnso icann. org <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [council]
Draft letter to the Board on
closed generics dialogue</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I
strongly urge that the letter from
the NCSG is not included with this
letter. As Justine states, there
are some mischaracterizations in
that letter and as far as I am aware
the rest of the Council does not
agree with the opinions expressed by
the NCSG. You can indicate that the
NCSG opposed the meeting in the
letter without any attachments. If
you include the NCSG letter, would
you consider adding letters from the
other SGs and Cs that are in support
of the meeting? I believe the best
way is to note the NCSG’s
disagreement, but not attach
anything.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">And
with respect to the word
“modalities”, it is an unnecessary
word. A “modality” is a condition
is it not? So I would just state:
“….that the Council is willing to
pursue next steps for the
facilitated dialogue, subject to
mutual agreement with the GAC on the
conditions for that dialogue.”</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> council <<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Justine Chew
via council<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 21,
2022 8:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kurt Pritz <<a href="mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">kurt@kjpritz.com</a>>;
Philippe Fouquart <<a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> GNSO Secs <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council]
Draft letter to the Board on
closed generics dialogue</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hello Philippe,
Kurt,<br>
<br>
1. I agree with Kurt on the NCSG
letter, and if it were to be
included, I think we should at
least address the assertion that
"GAC has been silent since 2013
on the matter of Closed
Generics" as called out by Jeff
as a mis-characterization of the
GAC on the part of NCSG.<br clear="all">
</span></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br>
2. I understand the word
"modalities" to mean "ways
of doing something", but
if there's a better word
to address Kurt's concerns
then by all means, let's
consider that.<br>
<br>
3. Would it be feasible to
add to the end of the
second paragraph, a
suggestion that "the
conditions and modalities
for that dialogue" will be
forthcoming? That would
indicate that Council is
giving thought to those
and will continue to do so
(hence allowing for the
Closed Generics small team
leeway to do its work).<br>
<br>
Thanks for considering.<br>
<br>
<span style="color:black">Kind
regards,</span><br>
<span style="color:black">Justine</span></span></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Fri, 22 Apr
2022 at 06:54, Kurt Pritz via
council <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">council@gnso.icann.org</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Philippe:</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Two
comments: </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">1. If the
NCSG has requested that
reference to their comment
should be included it in
the letter, then we should
include it. If not, you
might ask if they want
that (and if they do,
include it). I don’t think
it adds value at this
point — but will add value
as we get into the meeting
set-up, the discussion
scope, and the actions
taken with any
recommendations that come
out of the meeting. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">2. I
personally recommend that
we avoid the use of the
term ‘modalities.’ I don’t
know what it means and, if
participating in a group
tasked with identifying
them, I wouldn’t know what
they are. I right clicked
on the word and found that
Microsoft knows of no
synonyms. I looked it up
in a popular online
dictionary and came up
with: </span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">— the
quality or state of
being modal; a modal
quality or attribute; </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">— the
classification of
logical
propositions according
to their asserting or
denying the possibility,
impossibility, contingency, or necessity of their content; </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">— one of
the main avenues of
sensation (such as
vision); </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">— a usually
physical therapeutic agency</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Not getting
the sense from there, I
looked for its use in a
sentence and found: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">"Ineluctable modality of
the visible: at least
that if no more,
thought through my
eyes.”
<i>The New Yorker, 7
Feb. 2022</i></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">That did
not help me understand
the definition but did
tell me a lot about the
kind of people that use
the word. I understand
the word is commonly
used in governmental
settings but we needn’t
adopt the custom if it
is not clarifying or
helpful.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Slightly
more seriously, when we
meet among ourselves and
with the GAC, we should
all understand the
target and “modalities”
seems too broad. It
would be helpful for me
(maybe it is just me) to
replace the word with
commonly spoken terms or
to parenthetically
define it. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks for
listening, </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kurt</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Apr
22, 2022, at 3:32
AM,
philippe.fouquart---
via council <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">council@gnso.icann.org</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear
Councilors,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Please
find attached
for you review a
draft response
letter to the
ICANN Board on
closed generics.
It intends to
capture the
conclusions of
our discussion
during the
Council call
last week.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We
would like to
have it ready
for the Board
workshop next
week, so please
have a look
before April
27th 1200 UTC
(Wednesday)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Philippe
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<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="EN-US"></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="EN-US"></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="EN-US"></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="EN-US"></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law;</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="EN-US"></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="EN-US"></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="EN-US"></span></pre>
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<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> </span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci.</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""> </span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law;</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation.</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments.</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified.</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Thank you.</span></pre>
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Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc
pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler
a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,
Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci.
This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law;
they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation.
If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments.
As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified.
Thank you.
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