<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Dear Philippe,<br><br>Many thanks for your reply to Manju.<br><br>I very much share in the logic which you stated, which is that the SubPro PDP was/is a GNSO process, and by extension, whose leadership appointments (excluding for the work tracks), I believe, were made by GNSO Council. So, in this respect, it matters less which part of the community leadership appointees were mostly associated with, if at all. But, for what it's worth, since you specifically mentioned Cheryl, please allow me to point out that in the SubPro PDP WG, she had self-identified her affiliation as NCSG/At-Large. <br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br><font color="#000000">Kind regards,</font><br><font color="#000000">Justine</font><br><b><br></b></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 at 21:51, philippe.fouquart--- via council <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Manju,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks for your inputs. We can take your first point with the GAC to further reduce the size of the group, which is likely to be a significant factor of success. On the other hand with
the PDP being a GNSO process, the fact that we count it our quota even if Sheryll takes the role eventually, seems to make sense.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">To the second point, leadership hadn’t anticipated alternates for a number of reasons.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">First to stress the need for the group to be small in terms of number of persons on board - the rationale for having one for ALAC was essentially to ensure commitment even over a limited
time with only one seat. The second reason was that we felt it would then be more difficult to meet our small team’s recommendations of having members
</span><span lang="EN-US">free from priorities of their appointing SO/AC/SG/C’s priorities and let the small group work out a common framework. Finally we were hopeful than given the mandate given by the Board of excluding the edge outcomes, this task wouldn’t
be one that will need a long commitment from the six members, which otherwise generally requires alternates.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I think we all appreciate that’s an adhoc approach to the problem, which may not be ideal, and even if we want to reach out to SG/Cs to make sure we have a good representation of the
community, we are talking about appointing individuals, not representatives. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hope this is helpful,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Philippe<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <span lang="JA" style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">
陳曼茹</span> Manju Chen <<a href="mailto:manju@nii.org.tw" target="_blank">manju@nii.org.tw</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 4, 2022 4:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> FOUQUART Philippe INNOV/NET <<a href="mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com" target="_blank">philippe.fouquart@orange.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Next step on closed generics<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Hi Philippe,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Thank you for the update! <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">I have one suggestion and one question.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">First of all, while it makes sense to include former SubPro PDP leadership in the conversation, it seems weird that the seat should be considered a seat 'from the GNSO'. As we all know, SubPro PDP was an all-inclusive
working group with multiple SO/AC members' active participation, even the co-chairs of the WG were not limited to GNSO members. It seems more reasonable, that instead of counting the SubPro leadership as a seat from the GNSO, to have them have 1 seat aside
from either GAC or GNSO slots. That would mean GAC (5) + GNSO (5) + former SubPro leadership (1) + ALAC (1). Hope this makes sense. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">ALAC has requested and was permitted to have 1 member plus 1 alternative. I wonder if that's also the case for SG appointments? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thank you the Council leadership for your hard work!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Manju<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 2:18 AM philippe.fouquart--- via council <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Councilors,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As we proceed with preparing for the Closed Generics facilitated dialogue and as noted in the Board’s recent letter, the next step for the GNSO is to assemble
a group of individuals who will participate in the dialogue. Noting that the Council small group suggested that no more than 6-8 individuals from the GNSO participate, and acknowledging that there are benefits to keeping the group as small as possible, Council
leadership would like to propose that we aim for 6 seats, as follows:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">• 1 seat from Council leadership (ex-officio)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">• 1 seat from the SubPro PDP leadership team</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">• 1 seat from each GNSO Stakeholder Group
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">o A Stakeholder Group can give its seat to another Stakeholder Group if it chooses to do so</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">o Council will provide Stakeholder Groups with the criteria from the Small Team to support selection of individuals</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">o Stakeholder Group’s will make a selection according to their own procedures</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">With this proposal, the GAC would also have the opportunity to fill an equal number of seats (6), bringing total participation to 13 individuals (which is inclusive
of the one member from the ALAC). (The GAC may obviously also choose to appoint less than 6 members)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">It is important to note that while the proposed approach is seemingly representative in nature, the Council has provided expectations that members should, “…contribute
as independent individuals, bringing their individual experiences and expertise, and not serve as representatives of their respective community organization(s). The participants must commit to focusing on successfully developing a framework for closed generics,
even if the end product is inconsistent with the goals or priorities of the participant or the participant’s SO/AC/SG/C.” There is also an expectation that the facilitated discussion will avoid discussion of the “edge outcomes” (i.e., of allowing closed generics
without restrictions or limitations or prohibiting closed generics under any circumstance) and members should be prepared to engage accordingly.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Understanding that there may not be a perfect solution that all groups support equally, we hope that this proposal can be acceptable to all. If you are unable
to support the proposal, please raise your concerns on the mailing list no later than August 17<sup>th</sup> (2 weeks from now).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Philippe</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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