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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Following up from this thread, I would like to wrap up on the next steps for a potential EoI for the role of GNSO liaison to the GAC.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Most concerns were relative to having a limit and a more thorough annual review. A limit of 4 years will be included in the next EoI if last week’s proposal is accepted, as well as an
early report from the liaison.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">With the limited support for an EoI by ICANN75, with that notion of 4 years with the role and the fact that Jeff has been with the role for 2 years, I’m tempted to conclude that the
group doesn’t see the need for an EoI _now_, and Jeff is expected to stay for another year in the role.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I put this proposal candidly to the group - as Paul notes, silence may mean anything and everything, and there’s been limited support to launching an immediate EoI.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If I missed something, or if with hindsight anyone has a concern with this (and duly noting that Manju expressed a preference), and would like an EoI to be launched, please say so by
August 19<sup>th</sup>. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>McGrady, Jr., Paul D. via council<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 1, 2022 4:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> council@gnso icann. org <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Regarding GAC liaison position<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Thanks Jeff.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Hi Fellow Councilors,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Shortly after Manju’s email I put out a request on the NCPH Councilor’s list seeking input into whether or not others shared her concerns. I did not hear from anyone in the CSG expressing a concern.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">In fairness, I have no idea whether or not the CPH has any such concerns, but I note their silence on the Council list. Of course, silence may equal assent or it may equal dissent – who can say?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Regarding Manju’s proposal, I think it would be counterproductive to swap Jeff out under the theory that the liaison for SubPro and GAC should not be the same person. A few thoughts:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">1. I haven’t seen any indication that Jeff isn’t handling both roles with great competency (and Manju seems to agree with that, i.e. “amazing job”).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">2. I don’t see any inherent conflict in having the same person in both roles – both roles represent Council. Council to Staff (SubPro) and Council to GAC. I’m not sure what neutrality has to do
with anything – we don’t want Jeff neutral. We want Jeff passing along and explaining to Staff and GAC, as the case may be, what Council is thinking and bringing back to Council what the other group is thinking and helping us think through it all, not being
neutral on the issues. If the concern is that Jeff is going rogue and pushing his own views on to Staff and GAC, well, I’ve not seen any evidence of that and it would be very inconsistent with the amazing job that Manjo notes he is doing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">3. As Jeff notes, this issue was discussed before Jeff was selected as the ODP Liaison. At the time there was no objection and the Standing Selection Committee knew this (and so did we on the Council)
when Jeff was appointed as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">4. The SubPro Liaison position is supposed to end in December, a blink of the eye in our ICANNland glacial timeframe. I doubt we could even get a replacement in place by then even if we wanted
to, which I don’t think we do.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">There does seem to be at least some support for the idea of term limits for the GAC Liaison (as for term limits on Councilors, I think that is an issue best left to each constituency and we shouldn’t
conflate that with the question before us related to liaison positions). We should consider that the term limits for liaisons issue without entangling it in trying to replace Jeff this fall. It is two different issues, and only one of them seems to have
legs to me. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Looking forward to the thoughts of others.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> council <<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Neuman via council<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 1, 2022 8:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> desiree-me <<a href="mailto:desiree-me@protonmail.com">desiree-me@protonmail.com</a>>;
</span><span lang="JA" style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">陳曼茹</span><span lang="EN-US"> Manju Chen <<a href="mailto:manju@nii.org.tw">manju@nii.org.tw</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> council@gnso icann. org <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Regarding GAC liaison position<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Desiree, Manju and Council,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I believe term limits are a great discussion item and I wholeheartedly support having them. I was instrumental in getting the original term limits for DNSO/GNSO Councilors way back when so I completely understand the
rationale for having them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">To make things less complicated, I would propose similar term limits to GNSO Councilors (namely 4 years). Perhaps even consider two 2-year terms as opposed to having to renew every year. Most persons take a good 6-9
months to get comfortable in a position (about 2 ICANN meetings), so having 1-year terms never really made sense to me. By the time a person is comfortable in that role, it is time to get re-appointed. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As I stated at the last GNSO Council meeting I do not believe my role as the ODP Liaison conflicts with my role as the GNSO Liaison to the GAC. In fact, I brought this up when I initially applied for the GNSO ODP Liaison
position and both the CSC and the Council agreed that they saw no conflict. It was after the Council declared that there was no conflict that I took the ODP Position. Of course the Council can always take a different position this year with new Councilors
based on actual events and performance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">In any case, the ODP will be complete in December (about 2 months after the annual meeting). I am not sure there is a role for the ODP Liaison once the ODA is released. I would be happy to continue working on behalf
of the Council on SubPro if there were such a position. And if there were I would gladly have someone else take the role of GAC liaison. But my understanding is that once an IRT is created, the GNSO Council can have a liaison to the IRT, but I think that
may be limited to Councilors (which I am not one).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I am happy to serve the Council as you all see fit. I like to see and help work actually get done. So please just let me know what you would like for me to do and I am happy to oblige.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>desiree-me via council<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 30, 2022 4:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><span lang="JA" style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">陳曼茹</span><span lang="EN-US"> Manju Chen <<a href="mailto:manju@nii.org.tw">manju@nii.org.tw</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> council@gnso icann. org <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Regarding GAC liaison position<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks for the follow up and putting things in the perspective again. We didn't have much time to discuss this issue last time as it was in the AOB part of the call.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">As I said on the GNSO call, I support your views that from the governance point of view. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">It is important to review the term limits for the GNSO GAC liaison seat. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">I recall that the previous GAC GNSO liaison term was five years in total and it must have been extended because of the great job that
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">The candidate can be doing a great job and her/his term can be extended, but it would be healthy to review and agree on those terms and any other possible
considerations and circumstances we ought to take into consideration,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I'd certainly like to discuss this more with fellow Council members and find a good working governance framework.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Desiree<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 10:09, </span><span lang="JA" style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">陳曼茹</span><span lang="EN-US"> Manju Chen via council <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi all,<br>
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I'd like to follow up with our discussions in last week's Council meeting regarding opening the call for GAC liaison position.<br>
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As emphasized in my intervention, this proposal shall not be seen as unsatisfaction for the current GAC liaison. Jeff has done an amazing job and we are extremely grateful for his time and devotion.
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However, I believe we as Council should not have one individual carrying out 2 critical liaison roles—the GAC liaison and SupPro liaison, both require impeccable neutrality. Again, this is not about the capability/performance of the individual but the Council's
responsibility of making the two jobs clearly separated. We have obligations to ensure transparency and accountability of such processes and appointments.<br>
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I proposed we open the position of GAC liaison and call for volunteers. As the deadline for SubPro ODA has been pushed to December this year, it goes without saying that subsequent work and discussions will continue until next year. I think we can all agree
that the Council will feel crippled without Jeff as our SubPro ODP liaison. <br>
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I've also suggested during last week's meeting that it is time for the Council to review the job description of GAC liaison, specifically, considering adding term limits for the role. I believe this will be another step towards better accountability and transparency
of the GNSO Council.<br>
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Thank you for reading this lengthy email. I look forward to further discussions!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Manju
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