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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks, Anne and Kurt.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Anne, the proposed Charter Template was updated with your proposed language and has been posted here:
<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/gnso-groupname-charter-yyyymmdd-template-17jan23-en.dotx">
https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/gnso-groupname-charter-yyyymmdd-template-17jan23-en.dotx</a>. The proposed language in the Initial Report template is modelled on the language in the charter template.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">To confirm, in line with the Charter Template and the GDS Guidelines, it will be the responsibility of
</span><span style="color:black;background:white">the GDS liaison to identify where some recommendations may overlap or impact existing policies, and to raise those in the WG</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;background:white">. However, how that
impact is addressed is from our perspective a policy decision and as such guidance from a PDP WG and/or Council will be necessary to facilitate implementation. Although this is probably not something that needs to be spelled out in the template, a question
that does arise in relation to the language that Kurt has proposed, what if it is clear that there is an impact, but no consensus on how this impact should be addressed, who is expected to make that decision? Does the Final Report go to Council and Council
would then make a determination, or would need to spin up a separate effort to provide guidance to the GNSO Council? It does seem that the PDP WG would be best placed to advise the Council on this topic, but if there is a different path that you have in mind,
it may be helpful to discuss that?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;background:white">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black;background:white">Marika </span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Anne ICANN via council <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
<b>Reply to: </b>Anne ICANN <anneicanngnso@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 8 March 2023 at 15:39<br>
<b>To: </b>"kurt kjpritz.com" <kurt@kjpritz.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [council] PDP Improvements - status update<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Kurt and had made changes to the WG Charter template that addressed this very same issue. Marika has those changes and acknowledged them in the SPS meeting in LA, indicating they would be made since no one on Council had
objected. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Will staff please refer to the comments I made on the language in the proposed Charter template in order to modify this PDP language along the lines that Kurt has suggested? That language included an obligation on the part of staff to
raise issues both at the Charter stage and ongoing for the GDS staff liaison to raise those issues that may become apparent during the WG deliberations. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">An "umbrella" principle here is that staff should be better versed on existing ICANN policies than any volunteer Working Group Chair or member. In addition, staff is compensated to perform this work whereas volunteers are not. Agree with
Kurt this shifts way too much responsibility to WG members.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anne<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anne Aikman-Scalese<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2024<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com" target="_blank">anneicanngnso@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 11:19 PM kurt <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/kjpritz.com__;!!PtGJab4!7tRwAEmDsoHEZV8dflmqo-_56eTXBDBELT7NjSqWI-meInm5u5atBjihmNwh1KHafuNeJWGxztpzrp6uPxYnMm4n5h5dWg$">
kjpritz.com [kjpritz.com]</a> via council <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With regard to the recommended change to the PDP Charter template: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2.5 Impact on Existing Consensus Policies<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the WG concludes with any recommendations, the WG must consider any potential impact of these recommendations on existing consensus policies. If an impact is identified, the WG is expected to be explicit in this section about which consensus
policies are impacted and how this impact is expected to be addressed, to facilitate the subsequent implementation process.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am not for the wording and (I think) the intended spirit of this amendment: <o:p></o:p></p>
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It could markedly increase the time and complexity of PDPs at a time we are trying to streamline them,<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
It requires expertise that the PDP team is unlikely to have.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My personal experience is from the Registration Data EPDP. There, the recommendations recognised that the Transfer Policy was rendered ineffective (it had been rendered ineffective for some time), and raised the question as to whether the
Thick Whois Policy had been overturned. In the former case, the EPDP team did not have the necessary technical understanding of transfer requirements (and the Transfer Policy PDP is still at it, years later), and in the latter, it is not surprising that the
EPDP team did not have the political will or consensus to make a call on the Thick Whois Policy. (I know there are nuances to these arguments, but I want to keep this short.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the new section 2.5 means some sort of lighter weight consideration, that is not clear. If it means that an allowable response is, “the PDP recognises this impact and expect the Council to address it," then it should explicitly allow
that. In this lighter weight case though, I don’t see the value-add, as that already occurs. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’d be something along the lines of: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the WG concludes with any recommendations, the WG must state whether it considered whether there is a potential impact of these recommendations on existing consensus policies. If an impact is identified, the WG should identify the Policies
affected and whether there is consensus on how the impact is expected to be addressed. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That way, the Council has a heads-up without imposing additional burdens on the PDP.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I understand that some of my comments might be missing the intent of the new requirement. It is intended to start a discussion that might lead to a more specific, constructive outcome. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kurt <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 23 Feb 2023, at 2:07 am, Marika Konings via council <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Please note that an updated version of the PDP Improvements Tracker has been posted on the dedicated wiki page (see<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/e4OLD" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://community.icann.org/x/e4OLD</span></a>)
to reflect the current status of the different improvements. You’ll note that a couple of items have been completed and there is a proposed next step for improvement #3 for Council consideration (“</span>Build meeting between ICANN Board and GNSO Council to present
PDP Final Report into the project plan for ongoing PDPs so that a meeting between ICANN Board and Council can be scheduled well ahead of time<span lang="EN-US">”)</span>.<span style="font-size:4.0pt;font-family:Helvetica"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">In relation to improvement #5, please find attached the proposed updates to the Initial Report template to address any direct or indirect implications on existing Consensus Policies, in line with the recent updates to
the Charter Template (see redline on page 10). Please note that although the proposed next step identified the Final Report template as needing to be updated, we’ve realized that there is no Final Report template but it is the Initial Report template that
is updated to become the Final Report. If you have any comments or concerns about this update, please share this with the Council mailing list by 24 March. If there are no comments / concerns received by that date, we’ll go ahead and post this updated version
with the other GNSO Work Product templates (see <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/en/council/procedures__;!!PtGJab4!7tRwAEmDsoHEZV8dflmqo-_56eTXBDBELT7NjSqWI-meInm5u5atBjihmNwh1KHafuNeJWGxztpzrp6uPxYnMm58BYBcPw$" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/procedures
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Marika</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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