<html><body><div id="nine_body_n189bcb-f1d18" class="nine_body" dir="auto"><div style="font-family:Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:13.0pt; line-height:1.3; color:#000000" id="nine_body_n189bcb-c9d3e" class="nine_body" dir="auto"><div class="nine-pg" dir="auto">The BC had the opportunity to review the discussion carried out on this subject, and is favorable to the notion of this being a suggestion for Board/org. engagement.</div><div class="nine-pg blank sign" dir="auto"><br></div><div class="nine-pg blank sign" dir="auto">We would like to suggest the previously sent document (attached here for ease of reference) as material to be discussed during the next meeting of this group, to orient the substantive portion of whatever comment, if any, ends up being sent.</div><div class="nine-pg blank sign" dir="auto"><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div class="nine-pg blank sign" dir="auto">Best,</div><div id="nine-sign-n189bcb-c9d3e" class="mce-content-body mce-edit-focus nine-pg nine_signature" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;line-height:1.3" dir="auto"><div class="nine-pg" dir="auto"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">---</span></div><div class="nine-pg" dir="auto"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">Mark W. Datysgeld</span><br style="font-weight:400;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14.4px"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">Director at Governance Primer</span><br style="font-weight:400;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14.4px"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">ICANN GNSO Councilor</span></div></div></div><div id="quoted_header_n189bcb-c9d3e" class="quoted_header_editor fold" dir="auto"><hr style="border:none; height:1px; color:#E1E1E1; background-color:#E1E1E1;"><div style="border:none; padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm" dir="auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b>From:</b> mark@governanceprimer.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 2, 2023 17:24<br><b>To:</b> Paul McGrady; council@gnso.icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] BC input on outreach related to art28 NIS2<br></span></div></div><div id="quoted_body_n189bcb-c9d3e" class="quoted_body_editor mceEditable fold" dir="auto"><div class="nine-pg" dir="auto"><br type="attribution"></div><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:'calibri' , 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:13pt;line-height:1.3;color:#000000" id="nine_body_n189b7e-b8432" class="nine_body" dir="auto"><div class="nine-pg" dir="auto">Thank you for the update, Paul. The constituency has a meeting soon and I will bring their additional feedback based on the call.</div><div id="nine-sign-n189b7e-b8432" class="mce-content-body mce-edit-focus nine-pg nine_signature" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;line-height:1.3" dir="auto"><div class="nine-pg" dir="auto"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">---</span></div><div class="nine-pg" dir="auto"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">Mark W. Datysgeld</span><br style="font-weight:400;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14.4px"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">Director at Governance Primer</span><br style="font-weight:400;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14.4px"><span style="font-weight:400;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14.4px">ICANN GNSO Councilor</span></div></div></div><div id="quoted_header_n189b7e-b8432" class="quoted_header_editor fold" dir="auto"><hr style="border:none;height:1px;color:#e1e1e1;background-color:#e1e1e1"><div style="border:none;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm 0cm" dir="auto"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'calibri' , 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif"><b>From:</b> Paul McGrady <paul@elstermcgrady.com><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 2, 2023 17:22<br><b>To:</b> Mark Datysgeld; council@gnso.icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [council] BC input on outreach related to art28 NIS2<br></span></div></div><div id="quoted_body_n189b7e-b8432" class="quoted_body_editor mceEditable fold" dir="auto"><div class="nine-pg" dir="auto"><br type="attribution"></div><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="nine-pg MsoNormal" dir="auto">I encourage you to listen to the recording of the meeting of the small group which just occurred. I think many of your concerns have been overtaken by events and the list of worries you lay out will be smaller (but not eliminated entirely).</div>
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<div class="nine-pg MsoNormal" dir="auto"><b>From:</b> council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Mark Datysgeld via council<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 2, 2023 3:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> council@gnso.icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [council] BC input on outreach related to art28 NIS2</div>
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<p>Council colleagues,</p>
<p>Please find below the Business Constituency's feedback on outreach related to art28 NIS2, as well as a relevant attachment.</p>
<p><b>Input follows</b>:</p>
<p>The BC registers its objection to the direction the council is taking with regard to governmental outreach. It is clear that the management of these relationships is the remit of the GAC, not the GNSO. The council is not a governmental lobbying organization
and should not behave as such.</p>
<p>Discussions with governments are the remit of the GAC – not the GNSO Council. The GNSO’s role is to propose new polices, leaving government engagement to the GAC. Under ICANN bylaws, the GNSO’s role definition is to be “responsible for developing and recommending
to the Board substantive policies relating to generic top-level domains.” That of the GAC is “activities of ICANN as they relate to concerns of governments, particularly matters where there may be an interaction between ICANN’s policies and various law and
international agreements or where they may affect public policy issues.” Let’s be clear about that intentional separation. What is proposed for the Council to undertake has little to do with “recommending to the Board policies relating to generic top-level
domains.”</p>
<p>The BC has been calling for WHOIS policy to be updated in response to NIS2 (see attached chart – so far, the Council has not acted). It is therefore premature to reply to Europe to assure EU authorities that “all is well” until that work has been completed.
Note further that the Council has not developed – or even begun to develop – updated standards related to NIS2’s verification and accuracy requirements. Indeed, the Council elected to delay any work in these areas until the conclusion of the accuracy scoping
work (which left off with a yet-to-be-employed survey of registrars before work was suspended indefinitely).</p>
<p>Should council representatives disagree with ICANN bylaws and elect to forge ahead, and due to the focus here being multistakeholder processes and roles, we respectfully suggest that any outreach be done only with full feedback and approval from each constituency
or stakeholder group represented through the GNSO. This would ensure that there is full buy-in and true reflection of constituency or stakeholder group positions with any representation of unanimity in a communication from the Council. The BC will strongly
object to representations otherwise by a Council letter or outreach that doesn’t fully include such feedback from each constituency or stakeholder group represented within the GNSO.</p>
<p>This is an important matter, both procedurally and as represented by the potential content of a council communication. The BC's Councilors are happy to work with colleagues to arrive at a procedure that meets the needs of all groups making up the GNSO.</p>
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Mark W. Datysgeld [<a href="https://markwd.website/">markwd.website</a>]<br>
Director at Governance Primer [<a href="https://governanceprimer.com/">governanceprimer.com</a>]<br>
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