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    <p>Can we agree on the sentiment that we <i>should</i> send some
      form of instruction? This directly relates to policy development
      and will ultimately come back to the GNSO Council, so we should
      adopt a position, even if it is a soft one.</p>
    <p>If I had to estimate, and this is personal conjecture, I would
      say that we lean towards this not being a dependency. Perhaps it
      is a question that should call for an expression of disagreement
      in case any representative feels strongly against this. Otherwise,
      we proceed with recommending it is not a dependency.<br>
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    <p>Best,<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22 Aug 2023 13:24, DiBiase, Gregory
      via council wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Anne,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I think we’re discussing what, if any,
          instruction we should give to the Board in addition to the
          information that 1) finalization of policy on closed generics
          should not be a dependency for the next round; and 2) despite
          best efforts, the facilitated dialogue on closed generics did
          not reach a mutually agreed framework so this group is
          wrapping up and putting together a summary of their work.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Greg<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Anne ICANN
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com"><anneicanngnso@gmail.com></a> <br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 21, 2023 7:10 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> DiBiase, Gregory <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dibiase@amazon.com"><dibiase@amazon.com></a><br>
              <b>Cc:</b> Tomslin Samme-Nlar
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com"><mesumbeslin@gmail.com></a>; Avri Doria
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:avri.doria@board.icann.org"><avri.doria@board.icann.org></a>;
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:COUNCIL@GNSO.ICANN.ORG">COUNCIL@GNSO.ICANN.ORG</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:becky.burr@board.icann.org">becky.burr@board.icann.org</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> RE: [EXTERNAL] [council] Update on Closed
              Generics<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                      email originated from outside of the organization.
                      Do not click links or open attachments unless you
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Greg and Tomslin. <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Could someone please clarify the
                following for the discussion on Thursday?
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">1. Is it being proposed that
                  Council will write to the Board saying  Closed Generic
                  applications should be accepted in the next round
                  (subject to not moving forward in the evaluation
                  process unless further policy is adopted by the
                  Board?)<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">2.  If Closed Generic applications
                  are to be accepted, is Council, in its letter to the
                  Board, going to clarify whether an open generic
                  application can be put on hold as a result of a
                  competing Closed Generic application for the same
                  string?  (What happened in the 2012 round in relation
                  to this question?) <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Anne<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Anne Aikman-Scalese<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">GNSO Councilor <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2024<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><a
                            href="mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com"
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                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">anneicanngnso@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:52 AM
                DiBiase, Gregory <<a href="mailto:dibiase@amazon.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dibiase@amazon.com</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      Tomslin,<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
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                      question. My opinion is that forming a new team is
                      an option, but not a necessity.  I am not sure we
                      have the bandwidth to do so (at least in the short
                      term).<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Greg<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
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                          council <<a
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                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tomslin Samme-Nlar via
                          council<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 20, 2023 2:26 PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Anne ICANN <<a
                            href="mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">anneicanngnso@gmail.com</a>><br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> Avri Doria <<a
                            href="mailto:avri.doria@board.icann.org"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">avri.doria@board.icann.org</a>>;
                          <a href="mailto:COUNCIL@GNSO.ICANN.ORG"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">COUNCIL@GNSO.ICANN.ORG</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> RE: [EXTERNAL] [council]
                          Update on Closed Generics<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  This email originated from outside of
                                  the organization. Do not click links
                                  or open attachments unless you can
                                  confirm the sender and know the
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                            all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
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                            Kurt and Anne for pointing out the concerns
                            with the wording that we potentially could
                            have used in the letter to the board
                            regarding this issue.
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                            am in agreement that the council must
                            intentionally be clear in the letter to the
                            board that (a) GNSO still doesn't have any
                            policy recommendation on this issue and (b)
                            the next round should not be delayed based
                            on this issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            the 'third alternative' that has come up,
                            would that mean we put a new team together
                            <b>now</b>, with new composition rules and a
                            new charter "based on the good work that has
                            been done to date in the facilitated
                            dialogue"? (We are yet to read the final
                            report of the group but I think the group
                            did a good job in exploring in-depth the
                            problems and possibilities of closed
                            generics). If the answer is yes to a new
                            team, does it mean that the GNSO/GAC/ALAC
                            leadership conclusion "that there is neither
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                            need nor the community bandwidth to conduct
                            additional work at this stage" false? (I
                            thought the 3 community leadership were
                            pretty accurate on that assertion).<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
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                            Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 05:56, Anne ICANN via
                            council <<a
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                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                              thanks, Susan.  This is very helpful.    I
                              think the language stating that "any
                              applications" for Closed Generics "should
                              not proceed" is phrased in a manner which
                              conveys a policy opinion that such
                              applications should be accepted in the
                              next round. (It essentially defines a
                              status quo from 2012.)  If GNSO is NOT
                              deciding that policy issue, (and I don't
                              think the Council can decide it without
                              further policy work),  then we should be
                              clearer and that is why I suggested we
                              simply say that (1)  the next round should
                              not be delayed based on this issue and
                              that (2)  the Council does not believe
                              that the issue can be resolved by
                              commencing a policy process such as EPDP.
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">More
                                importantly, I think your recitation to
                                Final Report language provides a
                                possible constructive way forward which
                                might be pursued in the Council''s
                                statement to the Board.  Essentially it
                                says a process should involve a "clean
                                slate" approach with non-interested
                                parties.  I'm pasting this below again
                                for further discussion and consideration
                                at Council:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>"The
                                  Working Group believes that if this
                                  issue were to be considered in future
                                  policy work, it should also involve
                                  experts in the areas of competition
                                  law, public policy, and economics. In
                                  addition, it should be performed by
                                  those in the community that are not
                                  associated with any past, present, or
                                  expectations of future work in
                                  connection with new gTLD applications
                                  or objections to new gTLD
                                  applications. Absent such
                                  independence, any future work is
                                  unlikely to result in an outcome any
                                  different than the one achieved in
                                  this Working Group
                                </b>[emphasis added]."<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">This
                                may make more sense as a proposed way
                                forward unless we just want to hear from
                                the Board first if they will be willing
                                to make policy or are declining to make
                                policy.  It would be a real time saver
                                if we could get some Board Sub Pro
                                Caucus feedback on this issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks
                                for raising this third alternative that
                                comes directly from the work of Sub Pro.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Anne<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Anne
                                        Aikman-Scalese<o:p></o:p></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">GNSO
                                      Councilor
                                      <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">NomCom
                                        Non-Voting 2022-2024<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href="mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">anneicanngnso@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
                                Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 8:01 AM Susan Payne
                                <<a
                                  href="mailto:susan.payne@comlaude.com"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">susan.payne@comlaude.com</a>>
                                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">Hi Anne</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">I wanted to share
                                        some thoughts on the two issues
                                        you raised.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                                          lang="EN-GB">Issue #1</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">I read Greg’s email
                                        as merely addressing the concern
                                        Kurt raised that we should not
                                        be instructing the Board what to
                                        do, rather than expressing some
                                        underlying intent to endorse
                                        accepting closed generic
                                        applications.  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">Is it the use of
                                        the wording “<b>unless and until
                                          there is a community-developed
                                          consensus policy in place, any
                                          applications seeking to impose
                                          exclusive registry access for
                                          "generic strings" to a single
                                          person or entity and/or that
                                          person's or entity's
                                          Affiliates (as defined in
                                          Section 2.9(c) of the Registry
                                          Agreement) should not proceed”</b>
                                        in the original Chairs letter to
                                        the dialogue group that you feel
                                        implies this?  My assumption
                                        would be that this isn’t the
                                        intent. “Should not proceed” in
                                        the last round was ICANN-speak
                                        for rejected or refused. 
                                        Council certainly should discuss
                                        this, however, to be sure we are
                                        in agreement on what is the
                                        intent – and then the letter to
                                        the Board can be drafted
                                        accordingly.  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">To my mind, it
                                        would make no sense for Council
                                        to encourage that applicants to
                                        be permitted to apply for a
                                        closed generic, with that
                                        application then being placed on
                                        indefinite hold (if that were
                                        how one interpreted “should not
                                        proceed”) unless and until some
                                        policy is developed which, the
                                        Chairs letter indicates, we may
                                        not even be working on.  If the
                                        Board decision is that closed
                                        generics will not be permitted
                                        to proceed, therefore, it would
                                        be preferable if the AGB makes
                                        it clear to applicants that they
                                        should not apply for a string if
                                        that is their intent.  If an
                                        applicant nevertheless does
                                        submit an application for what
                                        is intended to be a closed
                                        generic, they could be given the
                                        option either to withdraw or to
                                        amend their application to be
                                        non-closed, as was the case in
                                        2012.  For the avoidance of
                                        doubt there was a third option
                                        in the 2012 round, to have the
                                        application placed on hold
                                        pending development of policy by
                                        SubPro.  No applicants selected
                                        this option in the last round. 
                                        For the future, it might be
                                        reasonable for applicants to
                                        have this option if policy work
                                        were underway, but not if it
                                        isn’t. 
                                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                                          lang="EN-GB">Issue #2</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">I don’t believe
                                        that Council itself has taken a
                                        decision that it will not
                                        proceed to develop Closed
                                        Generic policy using an existing
                                        GNSO policy process. No doubt
                                        Council will discuss this next
                                        week.  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">I also do not
                                        believe that Council is
                                        <b>required</b> to develop a
                                        policy.  SubPro attempted to do
                                        so and could not agree on
                                        recommendations.  The Board
                                        invited the GNSO Council and GAC
                                        to start the facilitated
                                        dialogue on a workable framework
                                        “in the interest of helping the
                                        community make progress”.  The
                                        GAC and/or GNSO Council could
                                        have refused to try this
                                        approach at that point, and so
                                        it is surely also open to either
                                        or both to inform the Board that
                                        we have taken this as far as we
                                        can for now. 
                                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">If there were to be
                                        further policy work, I think
                                        many of us are of the view that
                                        you cannot keep putting the same
                                        people in a room and expecting
                                        them to somehow come out with a
                                        different outcome.  The
                                        community has tried to develop a
                                        policy on this and has been
                                        unable to do so.  As was noted
                                        at SubPro 23.1<span
                                          style="color:#4472C4">:
                                        </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        style="color:#4472C4"
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">The Working Group
                                        believes that <b>if </b>this
                                        issue were to be considered in
                                        future policy work, it should
                                        also involve experts in the
                                        areas of competition law, public
                                        policy, and economics. In
                                        addition, it should be performed
                                        by those in the community that
                                        are not associated with any
                                        past, present, or expectations
                                        of future work in connection
                                        with new gTLD applications or
                                        objections to new gTLD
                                        applications. Absent such
                                        independence, any future work is
                                        unlikely to result in an outcome
                                        any different than the one
                                        achieved in this Working Group
                                        [emphasis added].</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">Susan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                                        council <<a
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                                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anne ICANN
                                        via council<br>
                                        <b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 14,
                                        2023 5:18 PM<br>
                                        <b>To:</b> DiBiase, Gregory <<a
href="mailto:dibiase@amazon.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dibiase@amazon.com</a>><br>
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                                        Avri Doria <<a
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                                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [council]
                                        Update on Closed Generics<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                          lang="EN-GB">Thanks Greg - The
                                          point you make that there is
                                          as yet no official statement
                                          from Council to the Board on
                                          this issue is an important
                                          one.    I think there is rough
                                          consensus at the Council level
                                          that we don't want the next
                                          round to be delayed by this
                                          issue.  I think two
                                          significant questions remain
                                          as to the following:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                              lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                              lang="EN-GB">Issue #1.
                                              Whether to accept
                                              applications for Closed
                                              Generics in the next round
                                              or to pause such
                                              applications pending
                                              future Board action or
                                              GNSO policy development
                                              efforts.  The draft 
                                              statements put forward so
                                              far would endorse
                                              accepting applications and
                                              that is also a policy
                                              statement which
                                              essentially defines the
                                              "status quo" as permitting
                                              such applications.  (After
                                              all, closed generic
                                              applications could block
                                              open generic applications
                                              in that instance.)   This
                                              is tricky because the GAC
                                              has reiterated that its
                                              previous  Closed Generic
                                              advice is "standing
                                              advice".  Would it be a
                                              solution for the Board to
                                              simply accept that advice
                                              in relation to a Closed
                                              Generic application and
                                              then accept applications
                                              in the next round but 
                                              require the Applicant to
                                              prove that the application
                                              serves a public interest
                                              goal without specifying
                                              any standards that apply
                                              for that proof? Or could
                                              the Board say that it
                                              cannot accept the advice
                                              from the GAC because it
                                              would require ICANN to
                                              weigh the content of the
                                              Closed Generic application
                                              and to police the public
                                              interest goal issue during
                                              the term of the contract
                                              award,  meaning the
                                              requirement of the GAC
                                              advice is out of scope for
                                              ICANN's mission as overly
                                              content -related?  Maybe
                                              the Council should just
                                              say "don't delay the next
                                              round" and should not take
                                              a policy position on
                                              whether or not to accept
                                              Closed Generic
                                              applications when the next
                                              round opens, i.e. leave
                                              that to the Board to
                                              decide that policy issue
                                              as well?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                              lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                              lang="EN-GB">Issue #2.
                                              Whether the Council itself
                                              has taken a decision that
                                              it will not proceed to
                                              develop Closed Generic
                                              policy using an existing
                                              GNSO policy process.  (I
                                              think it's possible the
                                              Board has the authority to
                                              request a formal policy
                                              process - not sure whether
                                              Council has the right to
                                              refuse to do so.)  Did the
                                              Council already decide it
                                              would not undertake an
                                              existing policy process
                                              when it authorized the
                                              Facilitated Dialogue
                                              process? Does the
                                              statement need to reflect
                                              a Council decision in this
                                              regard and if so, does
                                              that need a separate vote
                                              from Council?  Are we
                                              risking delay of the next
                                              round over the Council's
                                              failure to act on this
                                              policy issue?  The Board
                                              invoked the Facilitated
                                              Dialogue process outside
                                              normal policy development
                                              channels but it appears
                                              that process failed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                              lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                              lang="EN-GB">Any thoughts
                                              re the above
                                              considerations ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                              lang="EN-GB">Anne</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                              lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                  lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                  lang="EN-GB"><br
                                                    clear="all">
                                                </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          lang="EN-GB">Anne
                                                          Aikman-Scalese</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                        lang="EN-GB">GNSO
                                                        Councilor</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          lang="EN-GB">NomCom
                                                          Non-Voting
                                                          2022-2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          lang="EN-GB"><a
href="mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">anneicanngnso@gmail.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                  lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                            lang="EN-GB">On Mon, Aug 14,
                                            2023 at 6:51 AM DiBiase,
                                            Gregory via council <<a
                                              href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">council@gnso.icann.org</a>>
                                            wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                      </div>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi
                                                Kurt,<o:p></o:p></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">A
                                                couple thoughts here:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                              <ol type="1" start="1">
                                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
                                                  level1 lfo1">
                                                  We have not
                                                  communicated a
                                                  decision or feedback
                                                  to Board yet, so we
                                                  have time to discuss
                                                  our messaging (so far,
                                                  the SO/AC chairs have
                                                  sent a letter to the
                                                  dialogue participants
                                                  and the dialogue
                                                  participants have
                                                  agreed with the
                                                  letter’s sentiment).  <o:p></o:p></li>
                                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
                                                  level1 lfo1">
                                                  I think council is in
                                                  agreement that work on
                                                  closed generics cannot
                                                  be a dependency for
                                                  the next round and the
                                                  Facilitated Dialogue
                                                  on Closed Generic
                                                  gTLDs should not
                                                  continue to be the
                                                  vehicle advancing this
                                                  work (please let me
                                                  know if I’m
                                                  oversimplifying).  If
                                                  this is correct, I
                                                  think we can simplify
                                                  this issue to: how or
                                                  if we should frame the
                                                  “status quo” to the
                                                  Board.  More
                                                  specifically, we can
                                                  take a closer look at
                                                  this proposed language
                                                  from the letter to the
                                                  dialogue participants:
                                                  <o:p></o:p></li>
                                              </ol>
                                              <ol type="1" start="2">
                                                <ol type="a" start="1">
                                                  <li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                                                    level2 lfo2">
                                                    “until there is
                                                    community-developed
                                                    policy, the Board
                                                    should maintain the
                                                    position from the
                                                    2012 round (i.e.,
                                                    any applications
                                                    seeking to impose
                                                    exclusive registry
                                                    access for "generic
                                                    strings" to a single
                                                    person or entity
                                                    and/or that person's
                                                    or entity's
                                                    Affiliates (as
                                                    defined in Section
                                                    2.9(c) of the
                                                    Registry Agreement)
                                                    should not proceed;”<o:p></o:p></li>
                                                </ol>
                                              </ol>
                                              <ol type="1" start="3">
                                                <li class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                                                  level1 lfo3">
                                                  Perhaps we should
                                                  modify this part to
                                                  say closer to: “given
                                                  that there is no
                                                  community-developed
                                                  policy on closed
                                                  generics (i.e., any
                                                  applications seeking
                                                  to impose exclusive
                                                  registry access for
                                                  "generic strings" to a
                                                  single person or
                                                  entity and/or that
                                                  person's or entity's
                                                  Affiliates (as defined
                                                  in Section 2.9(c) of
                                                  the Registry
                                                  Agreement), we
                                                  acknowledge that the
                                                  Board may not allow
                                                  closed generics to
                                                  proceed (in line with
                                                  their position from
                                                  the 20201 round) until
                                                  policy is developed.” 
                                                  In other words, we
                                                  don’t need to instruct
                                                  the Board on what the
                                                  status quo is, rather,
                                                  we are informing them
                                                  that a policy on
                                                  closed generics has
                                                  not been finalized and
                                                  we recommend not
                                                  delaying the next
                                                  round until this
                                                  policy work is
                                                  completed.<o:p></o:p></li>
                                              </ol>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I’m
                                                sure I have point 3
                                                wrong as I am not as
                                                well-versed in subpro as
                                                others, but we can
                                                discuss further to make
                                                sure we are all aligned.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Greg<o:p></o:p></p>
                                              <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                                                    council <<span
                                                      lang="EN-GB"><a
                                                        href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</span></a></span>>
                                                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>kurt
                                                    <span lang="EN-GB"><a
href="http://kjpritz.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">kjpritz.com</span></a></span>
                                                    via council<br>
                                                    <b>Sent:</b> Sunday,
                                                    August 13, 2023 7:54
                                                    PM<br>
                                                    <b>To:</b> Paul
                                                    McGrady <<span
                                                      lang="EN-GB"><a
                                                        href="mailto:paul@elstermcgrady.com"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">paul@elstermcgrady.com</span></a></span>><br>
                                                    <b>Cc:</b> Avri
                                                    Doria <<span
                                                      lang="EN-GB"><a
                                                        href="mailto:avri.doria@board.icann.org"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">avri.doria@board.icann.org</span></a></span>>;
                                                    GNSO Council <<span
                                                      lang="EN-GB"><a
                                                        href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">council@gnso.icann.org</span></a></span>><br>
                                                    <b>Subject:</b> RE:
                                                    [EXTERNAL] [council]
                                                    Update on Closed
                                                    Generics<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <table
                                                  class="MsoNormalTable"
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                                                        <p><strong><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:#FFFF99">CAUTION</span></strong><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;background:#FFFF99">: This email
                                                          originated
                                                          from outside
                                                          of the
                                                          organization.
                                                          Do not click
                                                          links or open
                                                          attachments
                                                          unless you can
                                                          confirm the
                                                          sender and
                                                          know the
                                                          content is
                                                          safe.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Replying
                                                  to Paul (Hi Paul): 
                                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                </div>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As
                                                    pointed out by Anne
                                                    (and Rubens in a
                                                    parallel email
                                                    exchange), the
                                                    question of status
                                                    quo is not settled.
                                                    That is the reason
                                                    the SubPro working
                                                    group specifically
                                                    asked the Board to
                                                    settle the
                                                    question. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                </div>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
                                                    Board essentially
                                                    created a new,
                                                    temporary policy
                                                    when it introduced
                                                    an additional
                                                    restriction into the
                                                    criteria for
                                                    delegating new TLDs.
                                                    (I say temporary
                                                    because the
                                                    restriction was
                                                    time-limited in a
                                                    way.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
                                                    SubPro final report
                                                    does not recommend
                                                    an extension of that
                                                    restriction by way
                                                    of a “pause,” the
                                                    report specifically
                                                    recommends something
                                                    else. By
                                                    recommending a
                                                    pause, the SO/AC
                                                    leadership would be
                                                    amending the final
                                                    report
                                                    recommendation. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                                                    wish I could be
                                                    clearer. That
                                                    somehow eludes me at
                                                    the moment. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Kurt<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    <blockquote
                                                      style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 11 Aug
                                                          2023, at 3:37
                                                          am, Anne ICANN
                                                          <<span
                                                          lang="EN-GB"><a
href="mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">anneicanngnso@gmail.com</span></a></span>>
                                                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi Kurt and
                                                          Paul,
                                                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As I see it,
                                                          the issue has
                                                          come back to
                                                          what
                                                          constitutes
                                                          the "status
                                                          quo".  This
                                                          issue was
                                                          hotly debated
                                                          in the Sub Pro
                                                          Working
                                                          Group.  Some
                                                          maintained
                                                          that there was
                                                          no prohibition
                                                          on the
                                                          applications
                                                          for Closed
                                                          Generics
                                                          because none
                                                          was contained
                                                          in the 2012
                                                          AGB. Others
                                                          maintained
                                                          that due to
                                                          the GAC Advice
                                                          and Board
                                                          direction to
                                                          "pause"
                                                          pending policy
                                                          development,
                                                          the "status
                                                          quo" is
                                                          actually a
                                                          "pause" which
                                                          would be
                                                          continued at
                                                          the start of
                                                          the next
                                                          round.  The
                                                          risk I see for
                                                          the ICANN
                                                          Board in the
                                                          latter
                                                          situation is
                                                          that those
                                                          existing
                                                          applications
                                                          for Closed
                                                          Generics
                                                          (which are on
                                                          hold) as well
                                                          as any future
                                                          applications
                                                          to be taken in
                                                          the next round
                                                          (not
                                                          prohibited by
                                                          this
                                                          recommendation)
                                                          would build a
                                                          case for
                                                          Request for
                                                          Reconsideration
                                                          if the Board
                                                          does not allow
                                                          those
                                                          applications
                                                          to move
                                                          forward.  For
                                                          example, the
                                                          grounds might
                                                          be Applicant
                                                          Freedom of
                                                          Expression
                                                          under the
                                                          Human Rights
                                                          Core Value and
                                                          the underlying
                                                          principle of
                                                          Applicant
                                                          Freedom of
                                                          Expression
                                                          that has been
                                                          affirmed by
                                                          subsequent PDP
                                                          work and is
                                                          now being
                                                          confirmed in
                                                          the Sub Pro
                                                          IRT process. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Another
                                                          factor is that
                                                          the Board has
                                                          consistently
                                                          declined to
                                                          make policy. 
                                                          And I'm not
                                                          certain that
                                                          the GNSO
                                                          Council
                                                          actually has
                                                          the authority
                                                          to direct the
                                                          Board to make
                                                          a Closed
                                                          Generic
                                                          policy.  Are
                                                          you gentlemen
                                                          certain that
                                                          this is
                                                          kosher?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Certainly I
                                                          agree this
                                                          issue should
                                                          not hold up
                                                          the next round
                                                          but of course
                                                          there is a
                                                          year to go. 
                                                          If the Board
                                                          is willing to
                                                          take a
                                                          decision on
                                                          this, that is
                                                          one scenario. 
                                                           If the Board
                                                          is not willing
                                                          to take a
                                                          decision on
                                                          this and/or is
                                                          concerned
                                                          about the risk
                                                          of expensive
                                                          litigation
                                                          over a
                                                          possible ban,
                                                          then that is
                                                          another
                                                          scenario.  Has
                                                          anyone spoken
                                                          with our Sub
                                                          Pro Board reps
                                                          about this
                                                          approach? 
                                                          (They are
                                                          copied here.)<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Anne<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Anne
                                                          Aikman-Scalese<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">GNSO
                                                          Councilor
                                                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">NomCom
                                                          Non-Voting
                                                          2022-2024<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          lang="EN-GB"><a
href="mailto:anneicanngnso@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">anneicanngnso@gmail.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, Aug
                                                          10, 2023 at
                                                          10:15 AM Paul
                                                          McGrady via
                                                          council <<span
                                                          lang="EN-GB"><a
href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">council@gnso.icann.org</span></a></span>>
                                                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          style="border:none;border-left:solid
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi Kurt,<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks for
                                                          this.  I’m not
                                                          sure I am
                                                          understanding
                                                          your concern. 
                                                          One of the
                                                          basic tenants
                                                          that everyone
                                                          in the SubPro
                                                          PDP agreed to
                                                          was that,
                                                          absent any
                                                          changes
                                                          captured in
                                                          the
                                                          Recommendations,
                                                          that the
                                                          status quo
                                                          would
                                                          prevail.  All
                                                          the letter
                                                          does is ask
                                                          for that.  I
                                                          feel better
                                                          about sticking
                                                          with the WG’s
                                                          inability to
                                                          change the
                                                          status quo
                                                          than I do
                                                          asking the
                                                          Board to write
                                                          a policy when
                                                          the community
                                                          couldn’t agree
                                                          to anything,
                                                          even after two
                                                          valiant
                                                          efforts.  We
                                                          tried in the
                                                          WG, we
                                                          couldn’t get
                                                          there, the
                                                          status quo
                                                          should
                                                          prevail.  We
                                                          tried again at
                                                          the request of
                                                          the Board at
                                                          the SO/AC
                                                          level, we
                                                          couldn’t get
                                                          there, the
                                                          status quo
                                                          should
                                                          prevail.  The
                                                          letter leaves
                                                          open the
                                                          possibility of
                                                          future
                                                          community work
                                                          on this but
                                                          notes there is
                                                          no bandwidth
                                                          or appetite to
                                                          do so and we
                                                          don’t want the
                                                          next round
                                                          held up.  Help
                                                          me understand
                                                          you concern
                                                          about asking
                                                          the Board to
                                                          maintain the
                                                          status quo
                                                          until/if the
                                                          community
                                                          comes up with
                                                          a policy on
                                                          these.  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Paul<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                                                          council <<span
                                                          lang="EN-GB"><a
href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</span></a></span>>
                                                          <b>On Behalf
                                                          Of </b>kurt <span
                                                          lang="EN-GB"><a
href="http://kjpritz.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">kjpritz.com</span></a></span>
                                                          via council<br>
                                                          <b>Sent:</b>
                                                          Thursday,
                                                          August 10,
                                                          2023 3:45 AM<br>
                                                          <b>To:</b>
                                                          John McElwaine
                                                          <<span
                                                          lang="EN-GB"><a
href="mailto:john.mcelwaine@nelsonmullins.com" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">john.mcelwaine@nelsonmullins.com</span></a></span>><br>
                                                          <b>Cc:</b>
                                                          GNSO Council
                                                          <<span
                                                          lang="EN-GB"><a
href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">council@gnso.icann.org</span></a></span>><br>
                                                          <b>Subject:</b>
                                                          Re: [council]
                                                          Update on
                                                          Closed
                                                          Generics<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt">Hi
                                                          John: <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Thanks for
                                                          taking time to
                                                          make this
                                                          detailed
                                                          report, and
                                                          also thanks to
                                                          the
                                                          well-intentioned
                                                          people that
                                                          participated
                                                          in the effort,
                                                          in particular,
                                                          our GNSO
                                                          representatives.
                                                          I am
                                                          not surprised
                                                          by the
                                                          outcome. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I am surprised
                                                          by the
                                                          recommendation
                                                          to pause any
                                                          release of
                                                          closed generics
                                                          to a future
                                                          round. Such an
                                                          action would
                                                          turn the
                                                          consensus-based policy
                                                          development
                                                          process on its
                                                          head.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <blockquote
style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt">1. I
                                                          don’t
                                                          understand how
                                                          the SO/AC
                                                          leaders have
                                                          the authority
                                                          to revise the
                                                          PDP final
                                                          report
                                                          recommendation. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <blockquote
style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt">The
                                                          PDP final
                                                          report
                                                          (approved by
                                                          each of the
                                                          Councillors)
                                                          stated that
                                                          the closed
                                                          generic
                                                          decision
                                                          should be left
                                                          up to the
                                                          ICANN Board.
                                                          The
                                                          final report
                                                          did
                                                          not recommend
                                                          the
                                                          conflicting
                                                          direction that
                                                          the closed
                                                          generics
                                                          ban be
                                                          continued
                                                          until a future
                                                          round.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <blockquote
style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt">The
                                                          Board made an
                                                          attempt to
                                                          (re)involve
                                                          the community
                                                          by
                                                          inviting the
                                                          GAC and GNSO
                                                          to develop a
                                                          solution. With
                                                          that effort
                                                          closed, we
                                                          should revert
                                                          back to the
                                                          final report
                                                          recommendations.
                                                          We should not
                                                          change
                                                          the consensus
                                                          position
                                                          developed. Do
                                                          we think the
                                                          PDP team would
                                                          have approved
a recommendation to pause closed generics for an additional round? (No.)
                                                           </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <blockquote
style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt">We
                                                          have
                                                          thoroughly
                                                          discussed the
                                                          conditions
                                                          under which a
Council approved final report can be changed (e.g., GGP), and this is
                                                          not one
                                                          of them. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <blockquote
style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <blockquote
style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt">2. 
                                                             Continuing
                                                          the ban on
                                                          closed
                                                          generics
                                                          effectively
                                                          abandons
                                                          the consensus
                                                          policy model
                                                          of decision
                                                          making.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <blockquote
style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt">The
                                                          new gTLD
                                                          policy
                                                          developments,
                                                          in 2007-8 and
                                                          2016-21 have
                                                          asked the
                                                          questions: (1)
                                                          should there
                                                          be a round of
                                                          TLDs and, if
                                                          yes, (2)
                                                          what restrictions
                                                          /
                                                          conditions should
                                                          be in place to
                                                          address SSR,
                                                          IP,
                                                          and competition
                                                          concerns.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <blockquote
style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt">Restrictions
                                                          and conditions
                                                          enjoying
                                                          consensus
                                                          support
                                                          were implemented
                                                          in the
                                                          program. (An
                                                          illustrative
                                                          example is the
                                                          RPM IRT,
                                                          whose recommendations
                                                          were ratified
                                                          by the
                                                          community
                                                          STI.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <blockquote
style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt">During
                                                          discussions on
                                                          closed
                                                          generics,
                                                          there were
                                                          people
                                                          for barring
                                                          them, allowing
                                                          them, and
                                                          allowing them
                                                          with
                                                          restrictions.
                                                          Pausing
                                                          any introduction
                                                          of
                                                          closed generics
                                                          essentially
                                                          creates a
                                                          policy
                                                          advocated by
                                                          a minority
                                                          (and in any
                                                          case not
                                                          enjoying
                                                          consensus
                                                          support). The
                                                          final
                                                          report indicated
                                                          as much.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <blockquote
style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt">This
                                                          result
                                                          provides an
                                                          incentive to
                                                          avoid
                                                          compromise.
                                                          Going forward,
                                                          those wanting
                                                          to implement
                                                          an unsupported
                                                          policy can
                                                          refuse
                                                          to compromise
                                                          through a PDP
                                                          and subsequent
                                                          ad-hoc
                                                          discussions
                                                          with the hope
that leadership will “give up” and implement unsupported restrictions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <blockquote
style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt">3. 
                                                             The
                                                          decision to
                                                          ban closed
                                                          generics for
                                                          an additional
round contradicts the one step the Board took.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <blockquote
style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt">The
                                                          Board
                                                          direction to
                                                          the GAC-GNSO
                                                          team
                                                          established
                                                          guardrails, prohibiting
                                                          a model that
                                                          would either
                                                          ban or provide
                                                          for the
                                                          unrestricted release
                                                          of closed
                                                          generics. We
                                                          cannot be sure
                                                          this is where
                                                          the Board
                                                          will land
                                                          absent input
                                                          from the
                                                          GAC-GNSO
                                                          effort, but we
                                                          should not
                                                          erase the
                                                          chance that
                                                          the Board
                                                          would develop
                                                          a balanced
                                                          decision.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt">Two
                                                          additional
                                                          points:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <blockquote
style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
                                                          1.     I do
                                                          not believe
                                                          that deferring
                                                          the issue to
                                                          the Board will
                                                          delay the next
                                                          round, despite
                                                          the recent
                                                          GAC-GNSO
                                                          detour. The
                                                          Board has more
                                                          than a year to
                                                          make a call. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <blockquote
style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
                                                          2.     I do
                                                          not believe
                                                          the Board is
                                                          exceeding
                                                          their
                                                          authority in
                                                          making the
                                                          call. The GNSO
                                                          specifically
                                                          assigned the
                                                          task to the
                                                          Board as part
                                                          of
                                                          their policy
                                                          management
                                                          responsibility.
                                                          In any event,
                                                          the Board
                                                          established
                                                          that authority
                                                          when it paused
                                                          closed
                                                          generics in
                                                          2012,
                                                          contradicting
the Council-approved policy. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
                                                          If given the
                                                          opportunity to
                                                          participate in
                                                          a discussion
                                                          on this issue,
                                                          I would oppose
                                                          the
                                                          recommendation
                                                          that the issue
                                                          should be
                                                          paused, and
                                                          closed generics
                                                          banned for
                                                          the reasons
                                                          stated above.
                                                          I would
                                                          support the
                                                          final report
                                                          recommendation
                                                          that the issue
                                                          be decided by
                                                          the Board. </span>
                                                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                                          style="font-size:10.0pt"> <br>
                                                          Sincerely,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Kurt</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 10 Aug
                                                          2023, at 7:33
                                                          am, John
                                                          McElwaine via
                                                          council <<span
                                                          lang="EN-GB"><a
href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          lang="EN-US">council@gnso.icann.org</span></a></span>>
                                                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear
                                                          Councilors,<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As GNSO
                                                          Council
                                                          liaison to the
                                                          ALAC-GAC-GNSO
                                                          Facilitated
                                                          Dialogue on
                                                          Closed Generic
                                                          gTLDs, I
                                                          wanted to
                                                          update you on
                                                          the latest
                                                          developments
                                                          on this
                                                          project. On 7
                                                          July 2023,
                                                          after
                                                          discussions
                                                          amongst
                                                          themselves
                                                          that I also
                                                          participated
                                                          in, Sebastien
                                                          (in his
                                                          capacity as
                                                          GNSO Chair),
                                                          Jonathan Zuck
                                                          (ALAC Chair)
                                                          and Nico
                                                          Caballero (GAC
                                                          Chair) sent
                                                          the attached
                                                          letter to the
                                                          participants
                                                          in the
                                                          dialogue. For
                                                          reasons set
                                                          out in the
                                                          letter, and in
                                                          response to
                                                          questions that
                                                          the dialogue
                                                          participants
                                                          had referred
                                                          to them (also
                                                          noted in the
                                                          letter), the
                                                          three Chairs
                                                          have
                                                          collectively
                                                          decided that
                                                          it will be
                                                          neither
                                                          necessary to
                                                          continue with
                                                          the dialogue
                                                          to develop a
                                                          final
                                                          framework nor
                                                          initiate
                                                          further policy
                                                          development
                                                          work on this
                                                          topic.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The dialogue
                                                          participants
                                                          have discussed
                                                          the Chairs’
                                                          joint letter
                                                          and agreed to
                                                          conclude their
                                                          work as
                                                          requested,
                                                          including
                                                          producing an
                                                          outcomes
                                                          report to
                                                          ensure that
                                                          the work to
                                                          date is
                                                          thoroughly
                                                          documented.
                                                          Participants
                                                          also agreed to
                                                          forward the
                                                          Chairs’ letter
                                                          to all the
                                                          commenters
                                                          that submitted
                                                          input on the
                                                          draft
                                                          framework
                                                          (viz., Tucows,
                                                          RySG, BC,
                                                          ISPCPC, ALAC
                                                          and GAC), and
                                                          have invited
                                                          those
                                                          commenters
                                                          that wish to
                                                          engage with
                                                          the group to
                                                          join their
                                                          next call to
                                                          clarify any
                                                          significant
                                                          concerns they
                                                          raised in the
                                                          feedback they
                                                          provided.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The staff
                                                          team that is
                                                          supporting the
                                                          dialogue is
                                                          currently
                                                          preparing a
                                                          draft outcomes
                                                          report for the
                                                          group to
                                                          review. The
                                                          group intends
                                                          for the
                                                          outcomes
                                                          report to
                                                          serve as an
                                                          introduction
                                                          and summary of
                                                          their work,
                                                          including
                                                          expressly
                                                          clarifying
                                                          that the draft
                                                          framework the
                                                          group
                                                          published in
                                                          June 2023 does
                                                          not reflect
                                                          agreed
                                                          outcomes but,
                                                          rather, was a
                                                          product of
                                                          compromise
                                                          that was
                                                          reached in the
                                                          interests of
                                                          soliciting
                                                          community
                                                          feedback on
                                                          the various
                                                          elements and
                                                          points
                                                          included in
                                                          the draft
                                                          framework. The
                                                          outcomes
                                                          report will
                                                          also include
                                                          all the
                                                          community
                                                          feedback that
                                                          were submitted
                                                          in full, links
                                                          to the group’s
                                                          community wiki
                                                          space and
                                                          other relevant
                                                          documentation,
                                                          and the
                                                          participants’
                                                          feedback on
                                                          the consensus
                                                          building
                                                          techniques and
                                                          approaches
                                                          that were used
                                                          for the
                                                          dialogue.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The group
                                                          hopes to wrap
                                                          up its work by
                                                          September, in
                                                          line with its
                                                          previous plan
                                                          to conclude
                                                          the dialogue
                                                          and final
                                                          framework by
                                                          end-Q3 2023. I
                                                          understand
                                                          that
                                                          Sebastien,
                                                          Nico and
                                                          Jonathan will
                                                          also be
                                                          sending a
                                                          separate
                                                          communication
                                                          to the ICANN
                                                          Board that
                                                          reflects the
                                                          decision they
                                                          took and, as
                                                          stated in the
                                                          letter,
                                                          expressing the
                                                          collective
                                                          view that:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">(1) closed
                                                          generic gTLDs
                                                          should not be
                                                          viewed as a
                                                          dependency for
                                                          the next
                                                          round;<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">(2) until
                                                          there is
                                                          community-developed
                                                          policy, the
                                                          Board should
                                                          maintain the
                                                          position from
                                                          the 2012 round
                                                          (i.e., any
                                                          applications
                                                          seeking to
                                                          impose
                                                          exclusive
                                                          registry
                                                          access for
                                                          "generic
                                                          strings" to a
                                                          single person
                                                          or entity
                                                          and/or that
                                                          person's or
                                                          entity's
                                                          Affiliates (as
                                                          defined in
                                                          Section 2.9(c)
                                                          of the
                                                          Registry
                                                          Agreement)
                                                          should not
                                                          proceed<b>;</b> and<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">(3) should
                                                          the community
                                                          decide in the
                                                          future to
                                                          resume the
                                                          policy
                                                          discussions,
                                                          this should be
                                                          based on the
                                                          good work that
                                                          has been done
                                                          to date in the
                                                          facilitated
                                                          dialogue.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Sebastien and
                                                          I will be
                                                          happy to
                                                          answer any
                                                          questions you
                                                          may have on
                                                          the letter,
                                                          the Chairs’
                                                          decision and
                                                          the proposed
                                                          next steps.
                                                          You may also
                                                          wish to check
                                                          in with the
                                                          representatives
                                                          that each of
                                                          your
                                                          Stakeholder
                                                          Groups
                                                          appointed to
                                                          the dialogue
                                                          for further
                                                          information. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          sure I speak
                                                          for all of us
                                                          when I say
                                                          that we are
                                                          very grateful
                                                          to the
                                                          dialogue
                                                          participants
                                                          and the staff
                                                          support team
                                                          for all the
                                                          hard work and
                                                          consensus
                                                          building that
                                                          resulted in a
                                                          detailed and
                                                          substantive,
                                                          if
                                                          preliminary,
                                                          draft
                                                          framework. I
                                                          also hope that
                                                          the
                                                          participants’
                                                          feedback on
                                                          the methods
                                                          and techniques
                                                          used in the
                                                          dialogue, as
                                                          well as other
                                                          lessons
                                                          learned from
                                                          the
                                                          experience,
                                                          will provide
                                                          the GNSO
                                                          Council and
                                                          community with
                                                          useful
                                                          information
                                                          that we can
                                                          put into
                                                          practice in
                                                          future policy
                                                          discussions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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