[CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] [GTLD-WG] Verisign Dissing Domainers?

Fri Nov 2 22:30:38 UTC 2018

Brotherman, let me reveal myself.  I have no horse in this race.  Maybe its
the colonial experience but I know one thing. Anything - and I mean
anything -, I read about this business leads me first to plumb the economic
motive.  There always is one - or more - such.  And, its interesting, in
passing, to watch how y'all think.

I know its on both sides. Case in fact: Verisign has been in quiet
possession of all the namespace at issue and has been selling these
registrars who are now pitching a bitch, no questions asked, lo these many
years. I stand corrected if anybody can find me an event where Verisign
says, hey, you buying more than the market is demanding, more than you can
sell straight away. Can't recall a peep out of either side. Then, this. So,
what is the motivation, I ask?  And, what is the expectation?

Ellerman is but a useful vehicle to broadcast and seed the arguments!  And
I have learned a few things. [Even 'ontheotherhandism' tells a story!]

Confirm me a cynic. I read what is said with a grain of salt. I have been
taught to watch moreso what is done.

-Carlton

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*Carlton A Samuels*

*Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
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On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 4:58 PM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
wrote:

> I think the context for all of this is that GoDaddy and others are coming
> after Verisign on the hill to prevent any price hikes. Whether it’s the
> ideal vehicle or not, it was probably necessary to reveal the financial
> motive behind the lobbying. Saying this is about small businesses is pretty
> disingenuous.  Constantly quoting domainwire isn’t going to change the fact
> that they have a big stake in prices because of their huge portfolios.
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> *From:* Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 2, 2018 4:46 PM
> *To:* Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org>
> *Cc:* Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>; cpwg at icann.org;
> lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Verisign Dissing
> Domainers?
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> Hmmm, by your reckoning the horse seems to have already bolted?  Still
> following the money....Verisign is and always was on the other side of the
> transaction, no?
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> Special dispensation required to say 'not selling these 'greedy'
> registrars', you think?
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> -Carlton
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> *Carlton A Samuels*
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> *Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment &
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> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 2:43 PM Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org> wrote:
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> This post is actually taking aim primarily at REGISTRARS who buy huge
> numbers of .com domains at wholesale ($7.85 per domain) and then hold them,
> in order to try and sell them later for a premium price. That’s not really
> dissing domainers in the general sense, just these registrar-domainers.
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> The writing is a bit sloppy on this point, and the blog pivots to ICA
> toward the end, but even there, the focus is on the registrar-domainers,
> not on the general domaining public. Look again at the post, and you will
> see references to “speculators” who buy at a “regulated price.” That’s the
> Verisign price they are talking about. Regular registrants don’t have that
> opportunity — only registrars. The “Domainer Name Wire” article largely
> misses this point — partly because the post is vague and partly because of
> a tendency to “rush to judgment” in the domaining press.
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> As Jonathan notes, ICA argues it’s protecting the little guy, when they
> are actually providing loads of protection for some very “big guy”
> registrar-domainers.
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> While this is not “insider trading,” it is really a form of diversion
> based on insider access — the registrars abuse their privileged position to
> buy cheap and to buy before any “regular” registrant (even a domainer) can,
> and then they hold this portfolio and charge secondary-market prices for
> domains that are not really in the secondary market. Registrars’ unique
> ability to buy domain names directly from the registries was never meant to
> produce this result. This is a bug, not a feature. The end user domainers
> should really be pissed off at the registrar-domainers, not at Verisign.
> (Of course, they are permanently pissed off at Verisign, especially with a
> price increase in their “commodity.”)
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> Maybe registrars should be prohibited from buying for their own account
> for investment purposes. GoDaddy apparently has 2.5 billion reasons to
> oppose that idea.
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> I don’t know if I would call them scalpers (though it’s a fair
> comparison). I see domainers more like the folks in Boston who get up in
> the morning, sit down in a lawn chair in a prime parking spot near the
> Fenway Park baseball stadium, and then sit there until game time
> approaches. Then they charge you $20 or more to get out of the way so you
> can park there. This is not entirely accurate either since this is a lot
> more work than a domainer would put in (at least for a single domain name.
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> Greg
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> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:10 PM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
> wrote:
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> We'll, it's not particularly easy to take them back. Blog raises some good
> points about where the money goes. The ICA rhetoric about small business is
> pretty silly.
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> Jonathan Zuck
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> Executive Director
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> Innovators Network Foundation
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> www.Innovatorsnetwork.org
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> *From:* GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of
> Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 2, 2018 2:59:12 PM
> *To:* cpwg at icann.org; lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> *Subject:* [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Verisign Dissing Domainers?
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> Um,.......hmmmm, a flag up the pole to see who salute you think?
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> Assuming the posting it is sanctioned as official view, what is the end
> game here? Afterall, they are gifted ownership of every name, known and
> hitherto unknown, in the .com space! The domainers merely 'rent' them!
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> Hmmm....we have a saying in my corner of empire, 'o*ne hand alone can't
> clap*'. Gotta follow the money.
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> https://domainnamewire.com/2018/11/02/holy-sht-verisign-just-called-out-domain-scalpers-and-its-biggest-customers/
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> *Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment &
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