[CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] [GTLD-WG] EPDP: Geographic distinction

Wed Oct 31 10:59:16 UTC 2018

Hi Hadia, hi all,

as non native speaker I apologize for any manhandling of the
English language.

+1

In addition if you take into account recital
(2) "The principles of, and rules on the protection of
natural  persons with regard to the processing of their
personal data  should, whatever their nationality or
residence, respect their fundamental rights and freedoms, in
particular their right to the protection of personal data. ..."
and
(23) "In order to ensure that natural persons are not
deprived of the protection to which they are entitled under
this Regulation, the processing of personal data of data
subjects who are in the Union by a controller or a processor
not established in the Union should be subject to this
Regulation where the processing activities are related to
offering goods or services to such data subjects
irrespective of whether connected to a payment. ..."

it becomes even more complex.

I would like to know what should be the indicators to decide
that GDPR does or does not apply to a registrants personal
data?

All the best

Rainer

--
Rainer Rodewald
Member of the board of Medienstadt Leipzig e. V.,
an Euralo ALS, writing in my own capacity

Hadia  Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi schrieb am 31.10.2018
um 11:26:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> So going back to the EPDP team charter question if registry operators and registrars should be permitted or required  to differentiate between registrants based on the geographic location, I am of the opinion that no distinction should be made based on the geographic location of the registrant and the reason is that whether the GDPR applies or not does not only depend on the location of the registrant but it also depends on the location of the controller and processor, that is  the registry, registrars and resellers  and any other related processors. The regulation has this nature of extended territory, as I see it the impact of this distinction will be mainly on the industry, so registrants might choose a reseller in Europe over a reseller or a registrar outside of the EU  or vice versa  just to be protected or not protected by the GDPR . I cannot see the merit of the registries and registrars differentiating between the registrants based on their geographic location, where registrants not residing in the EU will be treated in accordance to the GDPR if their reseller or registrar is in the EU, the distinction based only on the geographic location of the registrant is already not possible according to the GDPR.
> 
> Kindest Regards
> Hadia  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CPWG [mailto:cpwg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of gtheo
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 9:47 AM
> To: Greg Shatan
> Cc: Jonathan Zuck; CPWG
> Subject: Re: [CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] [GTLD-WG] EPDP: Geographic distinction
> 
> As an EU Registrar I need to comply with the GDPR (obvious), as such I 
> need to apply the GDPR to all my international customers or I would not 
> be compliant (maybe not so obvious).
> 
> You could perhaps make a distinction between EU vs non EU Registrars? 
> But how do you mix in the other 126 data protection laws that keep 
> growing in numbers? The EPDP team needs to factor that in also. 
> Ultimately the distinction will almost not work.
> https://iapp.org/news/privacy-tracker/
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Theo Geurts
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Greg Shatan schreef op 2018-10-30 05:52 AM:
>> Alan,
>>
>> One slight caveat: an EU Citizen living in the US would still get the
>> benefit of GDPR when the Controller or Processor with their data is
>> “established” in the EU. But they get that benefit only because the
>> Controller or Processor’s covered by GDPR.
>>
>> Greg
>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 12:40 AM Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I also think it should be restricted to what GDPR requires. Anything
>>> beyond that essentially puts ICANN into the business of making privacy
>>> policy without a basis in law, which is beyond the remit of the EPDP.
>>>
>>> There may be an interesting discussion to be had about whether ICANN
>>> should change WHOIS for policy reasons, but the EPDP is not the place 
>>> for
>>> that conversation.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 11:12 PM Jonathan Zuck <
>>> JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm inclined to say restricted if for no other reason than we'll
>>>> eventually have a bunch of GDPRs that are slightly different.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/29/18, 9:36 PM, "GTLD-WG on behalf of Alan Greenberg" <
>>>> gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of
>>>> alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     GDPR is applicable to residents of the EU by companies resident 
>>>> there
>>>>     and worldwide.
>>>>
>>>>     One of the issues is whether contracted parties should be allowed 
>>>> or
>>>>     required to distinguish between those who are resident there and
>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>>     There is agreement that such distinction should be allowed, but 
>>>> EPDP
>>>>     is divided on whether it should be required. The GAC/BC/IPC want 
>>>> to
>>>>     see the distinction made, and at least one very large contracted
>>>>     party does already make the distinction. Other contracted parties 
>>>> are
>>>>     pushing back VERY strongly saying that there is virtually no way 
>>>> that
>>>>     the can or are willing to make the distinction.
>>>>
>>>>     The current (confusing) state of the working document is 
>>>> attached.
>>>>
>>>>     Which side should ALAC come down on?
>>>>
>>>>     - Restrict application to those to whom GDPR applies?
>>>>     - Apply universally ignoring residence?
>>>>
>>>>     As usual, quick replies requested.
>>>>
>>>>     Alan
>>>>
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