[CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Next possible move related to GDPR

Mon Sep 3 16:34:15 UTC 2018

Jonathan,

Thank you for accepting a balanced position.
When you say majority, you mean that our position should be for the so called majority, ignoring the interests of the minority. I’m afraid this is not a balanced position.

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> Le 3 sept. 2018 à 16:58, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
> Good, I'm glad we seem to have now arrived at the same place; a 'balanced' position.
> 
> I'm for tacking to the majority interests. And those who people that majority are the-ordinary-internet-user-in-their-billions, the ones who never register or will ever register a domain name, the equivalent of a Joe Schmuck over there in Timbuktu or at Prickly Pole in the eastern hill country of Jamaica.
> 
> So to reiterate, the majority interest is sometimes bonded to others and exercised by third parties. As a practical matter, we recognize this by accepting that surrogacy will play a role in advancing that majority interest.
> 
> -Carlton
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> -Carlton 
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> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 9:57 AM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org <mailto:JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote:
> So we all agree we need a “balanced” position. What does that mean in practice. I think Alan has suggested we “balance” our position based on two criteria:
> 
> 
>   1.  Majority vs Minority interests
>   2.  Majority vs Minority representation on the EPDP
> 
> Tijani if you have a framework to propose, please do so. Thanks.
> Jonathan
> 
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> From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Tijani BEN JEMAA
> Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 8:29 AM
> To: Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org <mailto:greg at isoc-ny.org>>
> Cc: CPWG <cpwg at icann.org <mailto:cpwg at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Next possible move related to GDPR
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> Fully agree with you that the full story is much more nuanced and that an imbalanced view of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various viewpoints is not particularly helpful.
> As the author says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses, there are in our group those who say nothing about the inappropriate uses of WHOIS data, but only mention the legitimate positive uses.
> 
> What I said since the beginning is that we need a well balanced position as defenders of the end users’ interest, all end users As we have to prevent criminals from harming the end users, we also need to prevent other kind of criminals from using end users data for their own (illegal) interest.
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> > Le 3 sept. 2018 à 04:14, Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org <mailto:greg at isoc-ny.org><mailto:greg at isoc-ny.org <mailto:greg at isoc-ny.org>>> a écrit :
> >
> > As Alan notes, this is one person's view of the context, seen from a rather
> > particular point of view.  Facts are included and excluded quite
> > selectively.  It's particularly silly to call those who disagree with the
> > author's point of view "privacy opponents" -- just as it would be silly to
> > call those who agree with the author's point of view "privacy fetishists"
> > or "privacy maximalists."  But I guess a story needs good guys and bad guys
> > need to be called things like "privacy opponents" and "copyright
> > maximalists."
> >
> > The blog post says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS
> > data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses.  It then makes
> > very simplistic statements about the effect that withholding that data has
> > had, which fundamentally miscast the positions of those on the "other side"
> > from the author.  The full story is much more nuanced.  An imbalanced view
> > of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various
> > viewpoints is not particularly helpful. Of course, there's a place for
> > advocacy, but it should be recognized as such.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 1:43 AM Kan Kaili <kankaili at gmail.com <mailto:kankaili at gmail.com><mailto:kankaili at gmail.com <mailto:kankaili at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you, Marita.  Very informative background.
> >>
> >> Kaili
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  ----- Original Message -----
> >>  From: Marita Moll
> >>  To: cpwg at icann.org <mailto:cpwg at icann.org><mailto:cpwg at icann.org <mailto:cpwg at icann.org>>
> >>  Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 3:00 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: [CPWG] Next possible move related to GDPR
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> >>  Some context for the attached draft circulated by Alan:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/08/29/special-interests-push-u-s-congress-to-override-icanns-whois-policy-process/ <https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/08/29/special-interests-push-u-s-congress-to-override-icanns-whois-policy-process/>
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> >>
> >>  Marita
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> >>
> >>  On 8/29/2018 2:47 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
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> >>    Not of direct relevance to our work, but perhaps interesting.
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> >>    Alan
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