[CPWG] [GTLD-WG] [registration-issues-wg] Discussion: End-users definition from At-large perspective

[Seun Ojedeji]

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019, 16:09 Tijani BEN JEMAA, <tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn>
wrote:

> Evan,
>
> I had the same understanding of the NCSG/NCUC. If they are in the GNSO,
> it’s because they are registrant.
> But unfortunately, the situation changed and now, they accept individuals
> and organizations with no relation with the gTLDs. They now define
> themselves as representing the civil society, and all non commercial users.
>

SO: Agree

>
> On the other hand, a lot of our members are also NCUC members, what I
> raised in the past explaining that this is not fair because they influence
> the decision making from 2 entries.I asked that at least, someone with a
> position in one of the 2 constituencies (ALAC and NCUC) can’t be at the
> same time a member of the other constituency. But I wasn’t heard.
>

SO: I can understand and agree with not having a position in both ALAC and
NCUC at the same time as that will indeed be double deep, but I don't think
it is unfair to have a position in one and be a member in the other. That
said, in reality, let's face it, the structural set-up of ICANN community
is unfair by default.

Regards

>
> I’m registrant, and so are several of the ALAC community members, and I
> have never been member of the NCUC. Do you mean I have to migrate there
> because I have a domain name?
>
> Have a nice day
>
> Tijani
>
>
>
> Le 8 août 2019 à 17:45, Evan Leibovitch <evanleibovitch at gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
> On Wed., Aug. 7, 2019, 10:32 a.m. Alexander Schubert, <
> alexander at schubert.berlin> wrote:
>
>> We should distinguish between two groups of “Individual Internet users".
>> Obviously we are looking at the DNS and it’s use, right? I see these two
>> groups:
>>
> 1.      The person who is using the DNS to navigate the Internet. That
>> is: Visiting Internet domain names in order to reach websites or sending
>> and receiving emails (among other use cases).
>>
> Yes, that is ALAC’s mandate
>
>> 2.      The registrants of domain names (insofar they utilize them for
>> personal use)
>>
> There is an entire HALF of the GNSO, the non-contracted-party half,
> created explicitly to represent their interests. Indeed, that half of the
> GNSO is further subdivided into commercial and non-commercial groups.
>
>  I for example use alexander.berlin and alexander.lv as my virtual
>> personal “calling cards”. I do not use them in any commercial activity. My
>> needs and concerns (as Individual) about the governing of .berlin should be
>> focus of ALAC in that respect.
>>
> The NCSG (and specifically NCUC) was made just for you. NCUC even has "non
> commercial user" in its name! Unlike ALAC it has voting rights in the body
> that can compel the ICANN Board.
>
> (And Alexander, as a long time ICANN insider and former gTLD applicant,
> surely you must be aware of all that.)
>
> Why do you consider yourself entitled to influencing ICANN policy through
> two different vectors? The non registrant end-user has ALAC alone.
>
> You may have a problem with how well NCUC serves your needs as a
> registrant. But that's not ALAC's problem to solve, it has enough of its
> own 🙂.
>
> - Evan
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