[CPWG] [GTLD-WG] [registration-issues-wg] Discussion: End-users definition from At-large perspective

Sat Aug 10 06:17:00 UTC 2019

It doesn't matter who makes up the NCUC. It's mostly academics. The interests they actually represent are registrants from an ideological rights bases perspective

Jonathan Zuck
Executive Director
Innovators Network Foundation
www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org>

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From: Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn>
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 10:25:13 PM
To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
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Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] Discussion: End-users definition from At-large perspective

Jonathan, the NCUC accepts members registrant or not.
On the other hand, I’m a registrant (who is not on ALAC) and I have never been member of NCUC; Shall I go there?

Tijani

Le 10 août 2019 à 01:55, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>> a écrit :

I think it's not about who we are but what interests we endeavor to represent. The NCUC only concerns themselves with registrants.

Jonathan Zuck
Executive Director
Innovators Network Foundation
www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/>

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From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn<mailto:tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn>>
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Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] Discussion: End-users definition from At-large perspective

Evan,

I had the same understanding of the NCSG/NCUC. If they are in the GNSO, it’s because they are registrant.
But unfortunately, the situation changed and now, they accept individuals and organizations with no relation with the gTLDs. They now define themselves as representing the civil society, and all non commercial users.

On the other hand, a lot of our members are also NCUC members, what I raised in the past explaining that this is not fair because they influence the decision making from 2 entries.I asked that at least, someone with a position in one of the 2 constituencies (ALAC and NCUC) can’t be at the same time a member of the other constituency. But I wasn’t heard.

I’m registrant, and so are several of the ALAC community members, and I have never been member of the NCUC. Do you mean I have to migrate there because I have a domain name?

Have a nice day

Tijani

Le 8 août 2019 à 17:45, Evan Leibovitch <evanleibovitch at gmail.com<mailto:evanleibovitch at gmail.com>> a écrit :

On Wed., Aug. 7, 2019, 10:32 a.m. Alexander Schubert, <alexander at schubert.berlin<mailto:alexander at schubert.berlin>> wrote:
We should distinguish between two groups of “Individual Internet users". Obviously we are looking at the DNS and it’s use, right? I see these two groups:

1.      The person who is using the DNS to navigate the Internet. That is: Visiting Internet domain names in order to reach websites or sending and receiving emails (among other use cases).

Yes, that is ALAC’s mandate

2.      The registrants of domain names (insofar they utilize them for personal use)

There is an entire HALF of the GNSO, the non-contracted-party half, created explicitly to represent their interests. Indeed, that half of the GNSO is further subdivided into commercial and non-commercial groups.

 I for example use alexander.berlin and alexander.lv<http://alexander.lv/> as my virtual personal “calling cards”. I do not use them in any commercial activity. My needs and concerns (as Individual) about the governing of .berlin should be focus of ALAC in that respect.
The NCSG (and specifically NCUC) was made just for you. NCUC even has "non commercial user" in its name! Unlike ALAC it has voting rights in the body that can compel the ICANN Board.

(And Alexander, as a long time ICANN insider and former gTLD applicant, surely you must be aware of all that.)

Why do you consider yourself entitled to influencing ICANN policy through two different vectors? The non registrant end-user has ALAC alone.

You may have a problem with how well NCUC serves your needs as a registrant. But that's not ALAC's problem to solve, it has enough of its own 🙂.

- Evan
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