[CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Reminder - Today by 17:00 UTC: ACTION/ALAC and CPWG Members: Statement on Evolving ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model

Thu Jun 6 12:39:49 UTC 2019

Bastiaan -- thanks for your comments. I don't want to agree or disagree 
with anything you are saying but I have to point out that this request 
for comment *specifically* asked that we give examples of where and how 
these issues affected us. There are probably many examples, but these 
stood out.  This part of the process is looking for concrete examples of 
things that need fixing. The issues themselves, the things that need 
fixing, have mostly already been identified.

So, the fact that we have only one seat on a board of 16 -- ccNSO and 
GNSO both have two (we did not add that detail) --  EPDP representation 
is worse - are examples of imbalance. This way we substantiate the 
"power imbalance"statement with respect to the identified issue of roles 
and responsibilities.

There are many in our group who feel the comment is not aggressive 
enough. Our team was just trying to strike a balance.

I hope I haven't misunderstood your point.

Marita

On 6/6/2019 4:34 AM, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
> Agree we shouldn't just assert things, especially without showing 
> consequences. We need to get the conversation going, not end it 
> prematurely
>
> Jonathan Zuck
> Executive Director
> Innovators Network Foundation
> www.Innovatorsnetwork.org <http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of 
> Bastiaan Goslings <bastiaan.goslings at ams-ix.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 6, 2019 12:50:45 AM
> *To:* ICANN At-Large Staff
> *Cc:* Bartlett Morgan; Joanna Kulesza; cpwg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Reminder - Today by 17:00 UTC: 
> ACTION/ALAC and CPWG Members: Statement on Evolving ICANN’s 
> Multistakeholder Model
> All,
>
> Thanks for the efforts that have been put into drafting the statement.
>
> I understand that we’re finalising our contribution, although we still 
> have a week before the deadline. I just want to note for the record 
> that, following comments during yesterday’s call that ALAC/At-Large 
> should not only be more forceful in conveying its message but should 
> also be as ’S.M.A.R.T.’ as possible when doing so (both of which I 
> agree with), text like the one on page 4:
>
> 'What we have currently is an unbalanced multistakeholder model in 
> which some parties have far more power than others. For an example of 
> how our community is affected, At-Large works in the best interests of 
> more than 4 billionend users on the Internet, but has only one seat on 
> the ICANN Board. We have also been underrepresented in the current 
> EPDP, which may well carry through to other applications of the “PDP 
> 3.0” model’
>
> in my opinion is quite ‘aggressive’ however it lacks substantiation. 
> Both when it comes to the ‘some parties have far more power than 
> others’ and the ‘examples’ that follow. Without stating an opinion 
> whether I agree or not, I think that making these bold type of 
> statements while not being S.M.A.R.T. and rational in our 
> argumentation, brings a risk that our suggestions are not taken on 
> board and into consideration. And can have an undesired effect on how 
> the At-Large, as the representative of end-users, is perceived as a 
> serious counterpart in deliberations within an ICANN governance context.
>
> thanks
> Bastiaan
>
>
>
>
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>
> > On 3 Jun 2019, at 08:59, ICANN At-Large Staff 
> <staff at atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > A kind reminder to please make final comments on the ALAC Statement 
> on Evolving ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model today, Monday, June 03 by 
> 17:00 UTC.
> >
> > Please make any final comments, if needed, by edits on the Word Doc 
> (attached), comments to the At-Large workspace, or by replying to 
> staff/Evin.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
> > Website: atlarge.icann.org
> > Facebook: facebook.com/icannatlarge
> > Twitter: @ICANNAtLarge
> >
> >
> > From: Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu at icann.org> on behalf of ICANN 
> At-Large Staff <staff at atlarge.icann.org>
> > Date: Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 2:43 PM
> > To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>, John Laprise 
> <jlaprise at gmail.com>, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn>, 
> Sebastien Bachollet <sebicann at bachollet.fr>, Ricardo Holmquist 
> <rihogris at gmail.com>, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net>, Javier Rua 
> <javrua at gmail.com>, Bartlett Morgan <bartlett.morgan at gmail.com>, 
> Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob at gmail.com>, Joanna Kulesza 
> <joannakulesza at gmail.com>, Bastiaan Goslings 
> <bastiaan.goslings at ams-ix.net>, Holly Raiche 
> <h.raiche at internode.on.net>, Kan Kaili <kankaili at gmail.com>, Seun 
> Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>, Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi 
> <Hadia at tra.gov.eg>, "cpwg at icann.org" <cpwg at icann.org>
> > Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff at atlarge.icann.org>, Evin Erdogdu 
> <evin.erdogdu at icann.org>
> > Subject: ACTION/ALAC and CPWG Members by 03 June 17:00 UTC: 
> Statement on Evolving ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model
> >
> > Dear ALAC and CPWG Members,
> >
> > The Google Doc has been closed for the ALAC Statement on Evolving 
> ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model, and the final draft of the version is 
> attached in Word for final comment by Monday, June 03 at 17:00 UTC.
> >
> > Please make any final comments, if needed, by edits on the Word Doc 
> (attached), comments to the At-Large workspace, or by replying to 
> staff/Evin.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
> > Website: atlarge.icann.org
> > Facebook: facebook.com/icannatlarge
> > Twitter: @ICANNAtLarge
> >
> > <ALAC Statement on Evolving ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model.docx>
>
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