[CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Geographical Names and ISO 4217 alpha3 currency codes - CPWG discussion papers for Marrakech.

[Greg Shatan]

I agree with Evan — there is no end-user interest here.

Greg

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 2:27 AM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
wrote:

> Agree with this in principle. We shouldn't take any stand without a
> specific end user interests. Is there one here?
>
> Jonathan Zuck
> Executive Director
> Innovators Network Foundation
> www.Innovatorsnetwork.org
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of
> Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 2:18:21 AM
> *To:* mail at christopherwilkinson.eu CW
> *Cc:* CPWG; justine.chew.icann at gmail.com
> *Subject:* Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Geographical Names and ISO 4217 alpha3
> currency codes - CPWG discussion papers for Marrakech.
>
> Hi all.
>
> TL;DR: I don't care about currency codes in domains, and neither should
> ALAC.
>
> Much as I appreciate the work Christopher has put into this issue, I am
> drawn to ask "why should *end-users* care at all if currency codes are
> protected or not?"
>
> I mean this in all seriousness. Over the years ALAC has fought many
> battles about what domains are protected and which are not, but very few of
> these battles have had a legitimate *end-user*-interest component. I am
> proud to have been part of a PDP that helped protect Red Cross names
> because abuse of those names can clearly lead to fraud and even lost lives.
> In the same meetings I argued against spurious attempt of the International
> Olympic Committee to claim similar privilege.
>
> Going forward I suggest that At-Large, as an activity to sustain its
> relevance on the ecosystem and reduce volunteer burnout, triage incoming
> issues so to concentrate FULLY on ramifications of ICANN actions to
> *end-users*, and not those of other constituencies already represented
> within ICANN. Registrants are already well represented through other
> vectors and perfectly capable of speaking in favour of their own interests,
> which do not always match those of end users. What value to se add by
> piling onto that? What does it do for us?
>
> The fight over whether "USD", EUR" "JPY" etc ought to be protected is, in
> my mind, a fight between the domain industry and others who perceive of
> something to protect. Do they have a point or not? Convince me why I should
> care. I fail to see any end-user implications from whether the codes are
> banned, reserved, left as a free-for-all or ignored.
>
> I take issue with Christopher's assertion, backed up by nothing concrete
> of which I am aware, that a Registry provides a public service. The public
> is neither a market for its services nor a source of its accountability.
> The public may be impacted by applicant and registry interactions with
> ICANN, registrars and registrants but I have yet to see how -- in the case
> of currency codes -- there is a public interest either for or against them
> being used in domains. IMO such codes are not particularly interesting,
> unique or unambiguous -- for instance, the code for the Canadian Dollar is,
> in geek circles, more known as the acronym for Content Delivery Networks as
> a currency. And "EUR" is as often used as an abbreviation for Europe as for
> Euro. Opportunity for misuse is  no more than for any other TLD.
>
> In all, while I'm sure that some in ICANN's vested interests find this
> topic wildly impactful, I remain unconvinced that end users give any care
> at all towards it (and thus that ICANN should waste any cycles on it). And
> perhaps, in this age of increase scrutiny, ALAC should concentrate on those
> areas actually mandated in its bylaws -- the ones *directly impacting end
> users* -- and stop taking sides in battles between factions and on issues
> in which we have no demonstrated interest.
>
> Chris' papers may be quite complete -- maybe even compelling -- in the
> debate between those who care about whether or not currency codes should be
> reserved. I have yet to be convinced that end users should care either way
> -- THAT argument exists nowhere in the documentation.
>
> Cheers,
> Evan
>
>
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