[CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] [GTLD-WG] Geographical Names and ISO 4217 alpha3 currency codes - CPWG discussion papers for Marrakech.

Mon Jun 24 13:04:23 UTC 2019

I also concur
Holly

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From: "Greg Shatan" 
To:"Jonathan Zuck" 
Cc:"CPWG" , "justine.chew.icann at gmail.com" 
Sent:Mon, 24 Jun 2019 11:18:23 +0100
Subject:Re: [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Geographical
Names and ISO 4217 alpha3 currency codes - CPWG discussion papers for
Marrakech.

I agree with Evan — there is no end-user interest here. 
 Greg  
 On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 2:27 AM Jonathan Zuck  wrote:
    Agree with this in principle. We shouldn't take any stand without
a specific end user interests. Is there one here?

    Jonathan Zuck
  Executive Director
  Innovators Network Foundation
  www.Innovatorsnetwork.org [2]  

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 FROM: GTLD-WG  on behalf of Evan Leibovitch 
SENT: Monday, June 24, 2019 2:18:21 AM
TO: mail at christopherwilkinson.eu [5] CW
CC: CPWG; justine.chew.icann at gmail.com [6]
SUBJECT: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Geographical Names and ISO 4217 alpha3
currency codes - CPWG discussion papers for Marrakech.         Hi
all. 
 TL;DR: I don't care about currency codes in domains, and neither
should ALAC.

 Much as I appreciate the work Christopher has put into this issue, I
am drawn to ask "why should END-USERS care at all if currency codes
are protected or not?" 
 I mean this in all seriousness. Over the years ALAC has fought many
battles about what domains are protected and which are not, but very
few of these battles have had a legitimate END-USER-interest
component. I am proud to have been part of a PDP that helped protect
Red Cross names because abuse of those names can clearly lead to fraud
and even lost lives. In the same meetings I argued against spurious
attempt of the International Olympic Committee to claim similar
privilege. 
 Going forward I suggest that At-Large, as an activity to sustain its
relevance on the ecosystem and reduce volunteer burnout, triage
incoming issues so to concentrate FULLY on ramifications of ICANN
actions to END-USERS, and not those of other constituencies already
represented within ICANN. Registrants are already well represented
through other vectors and perfectly capable of speaking in favour of
their own interests, which do not always match those of end users.
What value to se add by piling onto that? What does it do for us?

 The fight over whether "USD", EUR" "JPY" etc ought to be protected
is, in my mind, a fight between the domain industry and others who
perceive of something to protect. Do they have a point or not?
Convince me why I should care. I fail to see any end-user implications
from whether the codes are banned, reserved, left as a free-for-all or
ignored.

 I take issue with Christopher's assertion, backed up by nothing
concrete of which I am aware, that a Registry provides a public
service. The public is neither a market for its services nor a source
of its accountability. The public may be impacted by applicant and
registry interactions with ICANN, registrars and registrants but I
have yet to see how -- in the case of currency codes -- there is a
public interest either for or against them being used in domains. IMO
such codes are not particularly interesting, unique or unambiguous --
for instance, the code for the Canadian Dollar is, in geek circles,
more known as the acronym for Content Delivery Networks as a currency.
And "EUR" is as often used as an abbreviation for Europe as for Euro.
Opportunity for misuse is  no more than for any other TLD.

 In all, while I'm sure that some in ICANN's vested interests find
this topic wildly impactful, I remain unconvinced that end users give
any care at all towards it (and thus that ICANN should waste any
cycles on it). And perhaps, in this age of increase scrutiny, ALAC
should concentrate on those areas actually mandated in its bylaws --
the ones DIRECTLY IMPACTING END USERS -- and stop taking sides in
battles between factions and on issues in which we have no
demonstrated interest. 
 Chris' papers may be quite complete -- maybe even compelling -- in
the debate between those who care about whether or not currency codes
should be reserved. I have yet to be convinced that end users should
care either way -- THAT argument exists nowhere in the documentation. 

 Cheers, Evan 

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