[CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Geographical Names and ISO 4217 alpha3 currency codes - CPWG discussion papers for Marrakech.

Mon Jun 24 18:14:12 UTC 2019

Concur

On 6/24/2019 6:18 AM, Greg Shatan wrote:
> I agree with Evan — there is no end-user interest here.
>
> Greg
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 2:27 AM Jonathan Zuck 
> <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org <mailto:JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote:
>
>     Agree with this in principle. We shouldn't take any stand without
>     a specific end user interests. Is there one here?
>
>     Jonathan Zuck
>     Executive Director
>     Innovators Network Foundation
>     www.Innovatorsnetwork.org <http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org>
>
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>     *From:* GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>     <mailto:gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of
>     Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org <mailto:evan at telly.org>>
>     *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 2:18:21 AM
>     *To:* mail at christopherwilkinson.eu
>     <mailto:mail at christopherwilkinson.eu> CW
>     *Cc:* CPWG; justine.chew.icann at gmail.com
>     <mailto:justine.chew.icann at gmail.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Geographical Names and ISO 4217
>     alpha3 currency codes - CPWG discussion papers for Marrakech.
>     Hi all.
>
>     TL;DR: I don't care about currency codes in domains, and neither
>     should ALAC.
>
>     Much as I appreciate the work Christopher has put into this issue,
>     I am drawn to ask "why should *end-users* care at all if currency
>     codes are protected or not?"
>
>     I mean this in all seriousness. Over the years ALAC has fought
>     many battles about what domains are protected and which are not,
>     but very few of these battles have had a legitimate
>     *end-user*-interest component. I am proud to have been part of a
>     PDP that helped protect Red Cross names because abuse of those
>     names can clearly lead to fraud and even lost lives. In the same
>     meetings I argued against spurious attempt of the International
>     Olympic Committee to claim similar privilege.
>
>     Going forward I suggest that At-Large, as an activity to sustain
>     its relevance on the ecosystem and reduce volunteer burnout,
>     triage incoming issues so to concentrate FULLY on ramifications of
>     ICANN actions to *end-users*, and not those of other
>     constituencies already represented within ICANN. Registrants are
>     already well represented through other vectors and perfectly
>     capable of speaking in favour of their own interests, which do not
>     always match those of end users. What value to se add by piling
>     onto that? What does it do for us?
>
>     The fight over whether "USD", EUR" "JPY" etc ought to be protected
>     is, in my mind, a fight between the domain industry and others who
>     perceive of something to protect. Do they have a point or not?
>     Convince me why I should care. I fail to see any end-user
>     implications from whether the codes are banned, reserved, left as
>     a free-for-all or ignored.
>
>     I take issue with Christopher's assertion, backed up by nothing
>     concrete of which I am aware, that a Registry provides a public
>     service. The public is neither a market for its services nor a
>     source of its accountability. The public may be impacted by
>     applicant and registry interactions with ICANN, registrars and
>     registrants but I have yet to see how -- in the case of currency
>     codes -- there is a public interest either for or against them
>     being used in domains. IMO such codes are not particularly
>     interesting, unique or unambiguous -- for instance, the code for
>     the Canadian Dollar is, in geek circles, more known as the acronym
>     for Content Delivery Networks as a currency. And "EUR" is as often
>     used as an abbreviation for Europe as for Euro. Opportunity for
>     misuse is  no more than for any other TLD.
>
>     In all, while I'm sure that some in ICANN's vested interests find
>     this topic wildly impactful, I remain unconvinced that end users
>     give any care at all towards it (and thus that ICANN should waste
>     any cycles on it). And perhaps, in this age of increase scrutiny,
>     ALAC should concentrate on those areas actually mandated in its
>     bylaws -- the ones *directly impacting end users* -- and stop
>     taking sides in battles between factions and on issues in which we
>     have no demonstrated interest.
>
>     Chris' papers may be quite complete -- maybe even compelling -- in
>     the debate between those who care about whether or not currency
>     codes should be reserved. I have yet to be convinced that end
>     users should care either way -- THAT argument exists nowhere in
>     the documentation.
>
>     Cheers,
>     Evan
>
>
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