[CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] [GTLD-WG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register

Tue Oct 29 12:00:55 UTC 2019

Dear Holly,

For clarity, let me rephrase it: (terminology from Spreadsheet/Sheets)

1. There is a need for RDAP and a need for whois.

2. The problem with the whois protocol as you said, was that the whois
protocol wasn't designed for gated access. But the new protocol that is
being designed for gated access, solves the problem.  The new protocol,
while solving the old problem, need not create a new problem, which is that
of making whois unworkable.

The new protocol could both lock away sensitive data while keeping
non-sensitive data open for whois queries:

a) Registrant Data for Law and Order:  to allow layered access based on
privileges (accorded as timebound or otherwise) to different
entities/requesters to different clusters of rows/columns of data
and also
b) Registrant Data for All Users: allow permanent access to a central whois
computer to non-sensitive columns/rows of data, which gets stored for
access under the name "whois data".

Sivasubramanian M

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 2:51 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>
wrote:

> I think you mean, RDAP can be configured to provide access based on
> whatever it is configured to provide access to.  Given privacy protections
> globally, I am not sure access to all private data would be granted - not
> because it could not be provided, but because it should not be provided -
> that depends on the regulatory framework.
>
> On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Holly,
>
> The Registration data that would provide gated access (possibly to
> different layers based on the degree of authenticity or the levels of
> privilege?) could also concede blanket, open access to the whois to a
> transparent layer of Registrant data.
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:02 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Folks
>>
>> A bit of history. A few years ago, there was a major review of Whois.
>> One of the many issues identified was simply the term: it has been used to
>> refer to the data collected (as required by the RAA), the protocol or the
>> service.  In the reforms, what was clarified as the terminology - we are
>> talking about registration data (the same stuff required by the RAA), or
>> RDAP - the registration data protocol.  In fact the IETF developed the
>> protocol - RDAP- to greatly improve the functionality of the old WHOIS
>> Protocol - which, amongst other limitations, could not provide gated access
>> and therefore, would not permit compliance with privacy regimes such as the
>> GDPR.
>>
>> So the data is still that required to be collected under the RAA - it is
>> now called registration data.  The RDAP can be configured to allow gated
>> access to the registration data - as required under the GD
>> PR. So same data - improved protocol.
>>
>> Holly
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Why should RDAP be a replacement? Whois ought to co-exist with it's own
>> purpose, whois in conformity to GDPR (in an appropriate manner), whois
>> redesigned to address concerns also on the need for transparency of
>> commercial webspaces to minimize perhaps the most harmful form of DNS abuse.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike at palage.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Eduardo,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It should not.  In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for
>>> potential solutions for differentiated access.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> *On Behalf Of
>>> *Eduardo Diaz
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM
>>> *To:* Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists icann. org <
>>> lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>; CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>; NA
>>> Discuss <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN
>>> sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -ed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <
>>> carlton.samuels at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carlton
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>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:01 AM Michael Palage <mike at palage.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Eduardo,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It should not.  In fact RDAP will provide great flexibility for
>>> potential solutions for differentiated access.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> *On Behalf Of
>>> *Eduardo Diaz
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2019 12:17 PM
>>> *To:* Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists icann. org <
>>> lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>; CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>; NA
>>> Discuss <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Haunted by Europe's GDPR, ICANN
>>> sharpens wooden stake to finally slay the Whois vampire • The Register
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Will this affect the current EPDP which its main focus has been Whois?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -ed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:37 AM Carlton Samuels <
>>> carlton.samuels at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/icann_kills_whois/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carlton
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