[CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users

Sat Aug 29 20:59:31 UTC 2020

Which,  of course, aligns with ours. End user isn't a category of user but a category of use

Jonathan Zuck
Innovators Network Foundation
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Subject: Re: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users

Agree @Holly

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 4:50 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net>> wrote:
Finally - a definition of ‘end user’ from the tech community - which, of course, I will use.

Holly

On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:37 AM, <alberto at soto.net.ar<mailto:alberto at soto.net.ar>> <alberto at soto.net.ar<mailto:alberto at soto.net.ar>> wrote:

I like this: “Successful specifications will provide some benefit to all the
   relevant parties because standards do not represent a zero-sum game.
   However, there are sometimes situations where there is a conflict
   between the needs of two (or more) parties.

   In these situations, when one of those parties is an "end user" of
   the Internet -- for example, a person using a web browser, mail
   client, or another agent that connects to the Internet -- the
   Internet Architecture Board argues that the IETF should favor their
   interests over those of other parties.”

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And in the near term, Holly might want to bring it up during her DOH webinar...

Jonathan Zuck
Innovators Network Foundation
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Subject: Re: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users

Thank you David,
@Jonathan, it is worth discussing RFC8890 at at-large.

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:08 PM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote:

Thanks David. Very interesting. The At-Large DOES operate on some principles, for sure and this has lead to disagreements with others in things like GDPR compliance and indigenous interests to domain names. It's difficult to be so out numbered but I'll be interested

to see where this goes. Thanks for sharing.

Jonathan

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Subject: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users

FYI:

The Internet Architecture Board (IAB) recently published “RFC: 8890 - The Internet is for End Users” which some people in the CPWG may find interesting.

The RFC highlights a number of important policy/standards areas that overlap with At-Large policy creation.

The IAB seems to feel it’s important for IETF standards to be developed under the guidance of explicitly stated principles. The idea of policy making being guided by explicitly stated principles is something that the At-Large community may wish to consider

too.

RFC 8890 - The Internet is for End Users<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8890>

Mark Nottingham’s Blog Post<https://www.mnot.net/blog/2020/08/28/for_the_users> which describes the reasons for publishing RFC 8890.

Cheers!

David

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