[CPWG] [ALT-Plus] PIR and Dot Org

Mon Jan 6 20:42:19 UTC 2020

Dear Colleagues,

I am in agreement with Roberto's sentiments. We should not be on the Menu,
we should be on the Table.

Regards

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:10 PM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> indeed - the DotMobi Liaison was on the DotMobi Policy Advisory Board. But
> IMHO Roberto's suggestion for a Liaison to the PIR Board sounds good.
> For those interested, DotMobi Liaison Reports can be found on:
> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/dotMOBI+Liaison+Reports
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Olivier
>
>
> On 06/01/2020 11:24, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>
> Excellent points Roberto.
> Your experience on the PIR Board is invaluable in this regard. and your
> recommendations noted.
>
> Maureen
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 12:02 AM Roberto Gaetano <
> mail.roberto.gaetano at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Maureen.
>> I have been thinking further about this, and came to the conclusion that
>> our proposal would be not to have a representative on the Stewardship
>> Council but on the PIR Board.
>> Here is the rationale for that.
>> The Stewardship Council will play the role that was previously of the
>> Advisory Council. Its purpose was to get multiple voices from different
>> part of the user community, and in particular the NGOs, ensuring diversity
>> of opinions. This body was advisory to a Board that had already built-in
>> the fundamental non-profit, user-community DNA, because it was selected by
>> ISOC.
>> With the changed situation, we can safely assume that the new PIR Board
>> will be selected by Ethos to take care of the interests of the investors,
>> and there is no guarantee that the public interest is being taken care of.
>> This will be a good option for Ethos as well, because it would show in a
>> concrete way the commitment to the public interest beyond mere verbal
>> expression of intents. On the other hand, Ethos and the investors would
>> keep a solid majority that will ensure that their interests are protected.
>> We should remember that while the Advisory Council was surely empowered
>> to provide advice, and was surely listened to, a Director would have access
>> to more information and definitively better opportunities to discuss
>> different ideas and approaches with his/her fellow Directors, therefore
>> presenting the point of view of the public interest more effectively.
>> In short, this person wold play a role that is similar to the one that
>> León plays in ICANN: committed to the fiduciary responsibility to the
>> corporation but able to be a strong voice to the discussion.
>> I think that we should not be shy, all in remaining reasonable with our
>> proposals. I believe that this one is a win-win, bringing the voice of the
>> user community in PIR and being a good opportunity for Ethos to show a
>> commitment while still remaining in control of PIR.
>> Cheers,
>> Roberto
>>
>> PS: As I am not subscribed to the different mailing lists, please forward
>> this if you see fit
>>
>>
>> On 06.01.2020, at 01:40, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200105_hilyard_has_a_historic_chance_to_activate_icann_at_large/
>>
>> Well that is certainly forcing our hand to take some action. But with
>> arrows flying in all sorts of directions it has been difficult to know
>> which one to follow, and I note there has been a break in the conversations
>> on this topic.
>>
>> Interesting and very timely that Roberto raised the .org issue again in
>> an earlier email today. I started a response until JZ reminded us that the
>> thread was about .com
>>
>> I agree with Roberto's approach  - that we should focus on our role as
>> the voice of At-Large end-users and offer some creative advice on how we
>> might influence the behaviour of PIR and any future decisions they make
>> that will impact on .org end-users. PIR/Ethos already presented a webinar
>> and said all the right things.. but how can we be assured that they will
>> stick to what they said that they would do in the future? Who will monitor
>> this on behalf of ordinary end-users? Who will be represented on the
>> Stewardship Council?
>>
>> At the same time we may also need to advise the ICANN Board about how
>> they might deal with the ICANN-PIR/Ethos contract - especially Roberto's
>> recommendation of some commitment from ICANN that ethical behaviour
>> towards .org end-users will be built into it.
>>
>> We are aware that the Board is looking into every legal issue relating to
>> how they can deal with matters that are being raised by letters that are
>> flowing their way. We don't need to add more of the same.
>>
>> While i think it might be seen to be a simplistic approach, I believe
>> that we should stick to what our job is and focus on advice to the Board
>> and to PIR- but lets try to be creative about how we advise them, looking
>> at the impacts on end-users from all perspectives.
>>
>> My 2c
>> M
>>
>>
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