[CPWG] A white knight on the horizon for .ORG?

[David Mackey]

Alan,

Agreed. Your points make sense from an iSOC centric perspective.

I guess there's irony in that iSOC's organizational interests seem to be in
conflict with interests of other stakeholders in the larger Internet
community. Who could have seen that coming? Multistakeholder model?

I guess it's not totally surprising as we've seen the Internet expand over
decades across the globe to the point where organizations like PIR are
valued in the billions of dollars. As the Internet continues to expand, and
as the value to global society increases, we probably can all agree that an
end user's perspective is probably worth more than ever before, and yet
still so hard to understand and express.

Cheers!
David


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:46 PM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
wrote:

> "It's hard to understand why the iSOC organization is pushing back against
> strong community resistance."
>
>
> Its not so hard to understand.
>
> - The deal will be good for ISOC. It gives them financial security and
> gets them out of the Domain name business.
>
> - They believe that this will work out well for .ORG (and with the recent
> assurances, perhaps they are right).
>
> - If this deal is cancelled (or not allowed by ICANN), it is not clear
> that there will be a replacement that puts .ORG in non-profit hands and
> will be nearly as lucrative to ISOC - which implies they might have to
> scale down operations.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> At 08/01/2020 01:24 PM, David Mackey wrote:
>
> Maybe a bonanza for lawyers, but also it also comes with tarnished
> reputations for .ORG, PIR, iSOC, Andrew Sullivan, etc.
>
> It's hard to understand why the iSOC organization is pushing back against
> strong community resistance.
>
> So much for consensus building with the multistakeholder model. Maybe
> we're headed back towards the days of pre-ICANN Internet Governance with
> the associated financial costs and time-delays to resolve disputes.
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:54 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca >
> wrote:
> I don't see how a proposal to ICANN can imply $ to ISOC. The only way I
> can interpret this is as Evan has: an outright cancellation of the
> agreement by ICANN and re-delegate to the new corp.
>
> An interesting concept, but if nothing else, the resultant lawsuits would
> likely to be a bonanza for lawyers...
>
> Alan
>
> At 08/01/2020 09:25 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>
> From what I can gather from what's been written so far, they're going to
> demand ICANN to simply re-delegate the registry to them and leave ISOC with
> nothing (though the actual proposal to ICANN may be different and indeed
> include compensation of some sort). Looks like they want to make the case
> that .ORG is a resource that needs a custodian rather than commodity that
> can be tossed around at will. It's comprised of an interesting group that
> includes ICANN's first president and the USG person in charge of handing
> TLD control to it.
>
> - Evan
>
>
> On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 07:05, Jacqueline Morris <jam at jacquelinemorris.com
> > wrote: Hi Evan Do you know if there is a monetary  value on this bid
> that is public yet? Will it give ISOC the endowment that it is looking for? Jacqueline
> A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary,
> Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann>
> )
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:27 AM Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote: Looks
> like Esther Dyson and others are forming a co-operative to offer an
> alternative bid to Ethos:
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/technology/dot-org-private-equity-battle.html
> It is unfortunate that the proposed alternative is yet another US
> corporation, though the bulk of .ORG registrants are American so this will
> likely be unchallenged.
> Chance of ISOC accepting to even evaluate this alternative bid without
> pressure is slim given that many deals like Ethos' contain penalties for
> backing out. But the pressure is certainly there, and not abating.
> -- Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch or @el56 _______________________________________________
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