[CPWG] . NGO

Tue Jan 14 06:07:08 UTC 2020

On 14/01/2020 01:57, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:
> .NGO & .ONG have insignificant numbers of registrations compared to .ORG
>
There's little or no demand, Olivier,
The .NGO/.ONG gTLDs reflect ICANN's clueless pursuit of competition in 
the face of the brick wall of demand. With the rise of the ccTLDs more 
NGOs and do-gooder organisations are using ccTLDs. It gives them 
credibility in their "markets". Most of the .ORG registrations are 
historical and have been built up over the last thirty years or so.

The unconscious irony of that CircleID piece mentioning "speculators 
that warehouse .ORG and other domain names, with the aim of selling them 
later for huge profits" was quite funny.

Regards...jmcc

> TLDs
> 1..org
> 2 . ngo
> 3 . . ong
> 4..xn--clavg
> 5..xn--ilb6bla6a2e
> 6..xn--nqv7f
> 7..xn-nqv7fs00ema
> 
> DUMs
> 1..org- 10M
> 2 . .ngo -3,800
> 3.. ong-3,800
> 4..xn--clavg - 1,100
> 5..xn--nqv7f - 235
> 6..xn--ilb6bla6a2e - 78
> 7..xn-nqv7fs00ema - N/
> 
> 
> Source: 
> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/pir-isoc-ethos-capital-10jan20-en.pdf
> Kindest regards,
> 
> Olivier
> 
> P.S. Also see: 
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200113_a_stronger_pir_and_dot_org_standing_behind_our_commitments/
> 
> On 13/01/2020 18:01, Bill Jouris via CPWG wrote:
>> Perhaps we could go the opposite direction.  Have PIR keep .NGO and 
>> .ONG while divesting .ORG to a non-profit?  If they have a plan for 
>> making money out of .ORG, they ought to be able to apply it equally to 
>> the other TLDs.
>>
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> Bill Jouris
>>
>> On Monday, January 13, 2020, 07:34:24 AM PST, Roberto Gaetano 
>> <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Be aware that as of today the operation of .NGO/.ONG is not a 
>> profitable business. Very few registrars sell them, mostly because of 
>> the added complication of the validation step (the registrant is 
>> required to be a proper NGO), the bundle (the registration in either 
>> .NGO or .ONG will automatically allocate also the other one) and the 
>> high price (it is high to cover the additional costs for the items 
>> above). On top of that, a minimum fee has to be paid to ICANN 
>> regardless whether domain names are sold or not.
>> I am not aware of any changes in PIR to address this problem, so it is 
>> fairly likely that a new owner of .NGO/.ONG will be in bad shape, 
>> because it will not have the profitable .ORG to support the losing 
>> business, nor will it have any power to exert onto the backend 
>> provider to force them to support a TLD that has very specific 
>> additional requirements.
>> Cheers,
>> Roberto
>>
>>> On 13.01.2020, at 16:12, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org 
>>> <mailto:evan at telly.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I floated this exact idea on another mailing list Dec 11....
>>>
>>> that as a condition of acquiring .ORG. Ethos divested of .NGO/.ONG to 
>>> a community body, and then provided a fund to assist the 
>>> brand-altering costs of any nonprofits that wanted to move. In the 
>>> forum it was presented, it was flat out rejected as a half measure  
>>> when the objective was to stop the sale --- so I never pursued it 
>>> further. In fact, since .NGO already has a vetting process in place 
>>> (which could be modified in order to scale) it could more reliably be 
>>> a genuine no-freeloader place for nonprofits.
>>>
>>> - Evan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 10:00, Jonathan Zuck 
>>> <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org <mailto:JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Working on an outline for a response from us on this whole ORG
>>>     thing and had a crazy idea. What if we suggest that PIR be asked
>>>     to divest itself of NGO and award that to the new nonprofit.
>>>     Right now PIR have a kind of monopoly on the field with those two
>>>     as well as FOUNDATION.
>>>
>>>     We've had a lot of discussion about making sure there is a public
>>>     interest driven registry and a safe place for the nonprofit
>>>     community. NGO already has a lot of those requirements in place
>>>     and could be relaunched with a more specific set of commitments
>>>     in the contract. We could even figure out how to minimize the NGO
>>>     presence in the secondary market.
>>>
>>>     PIR having NGO as a competitor might help keep them in line as well.
>>>
>>>     Thoughts?
>>>
>>>     Jonathan Zuck
>>>     Executive Director
>>>     Innovators Network Foundation
>>>     www.Innovatorsnetwork.org <http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/>
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