[CPWG] PIR/Ethos

[David Mackey]

Bill,

Interesting wording. I think I understand the nuance you've added, but I
just want to double check why your wording is better than the simpler
phrase used by ICANN?

Having said that, it may not be wise to go too far into the wording before
consensus is understood. Can we find a general phrase to build consensus
on, and then if consensus is achieved move on the find best final wording?

Cheers!
David

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 3:31 PM Bill Jouris <b_jouris at yahoo.com> wrote:

> As David says, wording is important.  Let me suggest the following:
>
> ICANN makes no objection to the transfer of control of PIR, *once
> alternative arrangements are in place for the administration of the .org
> TLD*.  PIR is ISOC's property, and they can dispose of it as they wish.
> But administration of .org is not an asset available for sale to novel
> organizations.
>
>
> I think that makes the necessary distinction between what is ICANN's
> interest and what is not.  (Granted, PIR may have minimal value without the
> authority to administer .org.  That, however, is not our concern.)
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Jouris
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2020, 12:22:46 PM PST, David Mackey <
> mackey361 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Fair enough. Wording is important at this point.
>
> For the best wording, it might be a good idea to refer to the letter from
> ICANN
> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icann-to-pir-17jan20-en.pdf>to
> PIR that delayed the decision date.
>
> I believe the wording is "ICANN's request for additional information will
> not extend the 17 February 2020 deadline for ICANN to provide or withhold
> consent to PIR’s proposed change of control."
>
> If you accept the wording from that document, then the specific question
> for consensus in our group is ...
>
> Can we find out how many people in our group favour that "ICANN should
> withhold consent to PIR’s proposed change of control"?
>
> Cheers!
> David
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 3:08 PM Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 22, 2020, at 8:57 PM, David Mackey <mackey361 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Can we find out how many people in our group favour the sale to be
> stopped?
>
> Stopping the sale is not my position, and is not wording that I think
> should be used.  PIR is ISOC’s property, and they’re free to sell PIR to
> anyone they choose, for any terms they choose.
>
> What’s of interest is the delegation of the .ORG domain.  It was delegated
> to ISOC under specific conditions, which ISOC unarguably no longer meets,
> and it was not delegated permanently, it was delegated subject to periodic
> review.  They’ve triggered that review by their own action.  A clear and
> well-established process and precedent exists, and was exercised on .ORG in
> 2002.  My position is that ICANN should issue an open call for proposals
> for the delegation of .ORG, as in 2002, use the established
> multistakeholder process to review the 2002 criteria and approve them for
> re-use, or modify them as the community deems suitable given the long-term
> failure of the last selection, and use the established multistakeholder
> process to evaluate the proposals relative to the criteria, selecting the
> best one, and being very, very clear that it’s not property, and not
> subject to transfer outside of the open, competitive multistakeholder
> process.
>
> This process is the process.  There’s no question about that.  It’s the
> only process that ICANN has ever used for .ORG.  There was never a notion
> that it would only ever be applied once.  The time has simply come to
> execute the established process again.
>
>                                 -Bill
>
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