[CPWG] added points in the CPE evaluation for cities/geonames?

Marita Moll mmoll at ca.inter.net
Thu Jul 9 15:14:20 UTC 2020


Hi Alexander. I was among the contingent in WT5 trying to get some fair 
advantage for cities. The force was against us. I think Alan's 
suggestion of added points in CPE for a geoname/city which will used by 
that entity as a "bit of a head start" if the name ends up in a string 
contention was a good suggestion but it is late in the game.

I wonder how the rest of this community feels when presented with this 
real live example of why it matters.

Marita

On 7/9/2020 10:16 AM, Alexander Schubert wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> Dirk and me started the applicant for .berlin in 2005 and I am doing 
> it again for a few U.S. cities like “Tampa” (dotTAMPA.org): 
> Public-benefit, non-profits, owned, funded and governed by 
> stakeholders of the city (and not me or venture capitalists). I am 
> merely the management entity – and get paid to manage the process. I 
> just spent half a year in Tampa and rallied the city, the mayor, 
> chambers, business organizations and associations behind the project. 
> They all clearly state, that THEY want to govern “their” namespace – 
> and not that like in .miami some offshore company in the British 
> Virgin Islands is doing it.
>
> Obviously we will apply as community priority applicant – and with 
> STELLAR support (expect 1,000 plus entities). I have a bit of 
> experience with acquiring support: we did for .berlin (200 entities) 
> and a LOT for .gay (of which I was the founder, we had some 250 
> support statements).
>
> Logically I participated in all the geo gTLD efforts since even before 
> the 2007 PDP started. And especially in WT5. And let me tell you: 
> cities are so not protected at all right now. The bare minimum would 
> be that a community priority applicant would get a bonus if they 
> represent the city community. If there are two community applicants 
> for the same city: the advantage nullifies and all is fine. If there 
> is another applicant (e.g. a brand): why shouldn’t the city community 
> applicant get a bit of head start? Large cities like Berlin are as 
> important as ccTLDs – in fact half of all ccTLDs are population wise 
> SMALLER than Berlin. The trend in the Internet is going local – 
> especially in industrialized countries. Locality identifiers have 
> immense potential – hence need protection. It would be so unfair if 
> there was “some” applicant for .tampa who evades the requisite “letter 
> of support” by simple not declaring that the string targets the city 
> (yes: it’s that easy to circumvent the requirement) – then we lose CPE 
> and have to bid against some venture capitalist company in an offshore 
> location.
>
> Albeit: This is pretty late in the game to change anything. Please 
> decide quickly. When I told the mayor of Tampa that some offshore 
> company could simply “buy” the name of the city community that she is 
> tasked to lead: she was ready to jump somebodies throat. For you it’s 
> “just a city name” – for those in charge of the wellbeing of the 
> citizens and their businesses it’s “their” identity. Tampa is 
> TIRELESSLY working on “getting their name out” – to deprive them of 
> their digital identity online would be cruel. You might say: “And does 
> it matter who operates .tampa”? Yes. Check out airport.miami or 
> southbeach.miami (arguably the two biggest brand ambassadors for 
> Miami): both “for sale” by domain scalpers. In .tampa all these names 
> (port.tampa, airport.tampa, city.tampa, ybor.tampa, police.tampa, 
> chamber.tampa, fire.tampa, gas.tampa, electricity.tampa, water.tampa, 
> solidwaste.tampa, taxes.tampa, dmv.tampa,  and that list has already 
> close to 1,000 names) are reserved for the respective entities and 
> will be routed to their existing website contents at day one (paid for 
> by the public-benefit registry). A city needs zoning – and the digital 
> presence of the city needs “digital zoning”. It’s called “Namespace 
> Management” – and remarkably few gTLDs are engaged in it. Most 
> registries try to drive registration numbers (usually by investors who 
> don’t make any use of the names). We are trying to maximize community 
> “impact”.
>
> So in my eyes the combination of community priority applicant AND 
> “city designation” qualifies for an extra bonus in the CPE. Be 
> reminded: if you make a city designation you will be required to 
> provide written support by the mayor. This prevents that anybody is 
> “gaming the system”. And getting through CPE is so damn hard. We tried 
> for .gay. TWICE.
>
> I hope that as public-benefit, non-profit community priority 
> application manager it’s “OK” to speak up here. This effort is BASED 
> on the very needs of the “At Large” community. And I am happy for any 
> input. These city gTLDs are trying to maximize the benefit of the 
> Internet user – not trying to line the pockets of the venture 
> capitalists that fund the average gTLD. Hence we do not acquire any VC 
> money (and VC wouldn’t be interested to fund a public benefit, 
> nonprofit).
>
> Thanks for hearing me,
>
> Alexander.berlin
>
> *From:*CPWG [mailto:cpwg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *mail at christopherwilkinson.eu CW
> *Sent:* Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2020 15:57
> *To:* Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn>; Alan Greenberg 
> <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
> *Cc:* lac-discuss-en <lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org>; 
> cpwg at icann.org; atlasiiiparticipants at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [CPWG] REMINDER / Meeting invitation: At-Large 
> Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call on Wednesday, 08 July 
> 2020 at 13:00 UTC
>
> Cher Tijani : Je ne peux pas être d'accord avec toi sur ce point.
>
> Nous n'avons plus d'affaire avec « …a commercial entity, a government 
> or a community »
>
> Désormais il s'agit de protéger - d'une manière ou d'un autre – les 
> véritables demandes provenant des pays et des communités locales 
> contre les entités hybrides Registry/Registrar qui :
>
> - bénéficient des règles actuelles d'intégration verticale
>
> - ont les projets de constituer des portefeuilles spéculatives de TLD 
> géographiques
>
> - qui peuvent faire appel à des resources financiers tiers, notamment 
> lorsqu'il s'agit des sûr en chères, et
>
> - qui exploitent les règles trop souples du WT5 en matière de 
> l'utilisation géographique des gTLD.
>
> Tout cela sera discuté en profondeur bientôt par le CPWG.
>
> Entre temps, « cave emptor »
>
> Bien à toi
>
> Christopher
>
>     El 9 de julio de 2020 a las 10:46 Tijani BEN JEMAA
>     <tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn <mailto:tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn>>
>     escribió:
>
>     Hi Alan,
>
>     So, that's it: you want us to ask the addition of the geo-name
>     nature of the string applied for as a criterion for the CPE to
>     decide whether the application is Community one or not.
>
>     In my opinion, it's absolutely irrelevent. Any geo-name could be
>     applied for by a commercial entity, a government or a community.
>     The fact that it is a geo-name shouldn't give more credit to the
>     applicat even if it is a community. Any application is not more
>     community one when it is for the geo-name string.
>
>     Tijani
>
>
>     Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
>     <mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>> a écrit :
>
>         Many geoname TLDs delegated in the last round were in fact
>         community applications (although I don't know if any went
>         through the CPE since that only happens if they are contested.
>
>         The question here is that IF you are applying for a geoname,
>         and IF you are applying as a community TLD, then should you
>         get extra points under the CPE because it is a geoname (that
>         is, it improves your chances of satisfying the CPE and thus
>         winning over some other applicant.
>
>         I am not sure we have a strong case for getting this approved,
>         nor am I sure it is even worth the effort to try, but I see it
>         as a good thing if we could.
>
>         Alan
>
>
>         At 2020-07-08 11:50 AM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
>
>             Dear Jonathan and all,
>
>             Following up on our discussion today during the CPWG call
>             about the geo-names, I would like to explain why I don’t
>             think that geo-names should be incorporated into the CPWG
>             evaluation.
>             In fact, the CPE role is to evaluate whether the
>             application is a community application or not (this is
>             what Alan explained and what I agreed on). So how it might
>             be incorporated? as a criterion to decide if the
>             application is a community application? Shall we request
>             that if the application is for a geo-name string, the CPE
>             should consider it as a community application?
>             The CPE evaluates if the applicant represents a community
>             and if the application serves that community whatever the
>             string applied for is (geo-name, language name, culture
>             name, etc.).
>
>             Tijani
>
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