[CPWG] Transfer Policy Review Team: Question about the 60-days lock

Wed Nov 10 16:34:48 UTC 2021

Apart from IRTP-D policy (a sort of UDRP for transfers), there is no other ICANN process. But it is within the scope of this WG to discuss this and we already discussed briefly a process to reverse unauthorized transfers. 

Most of the unauthorized transfers are solved between the losing and gaining registrar. Again it does not happen much as these numbers are very low. 

Theo 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Steinar Grøtterød via CPWG wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>  
> A very good question (that I don’t know the answer to).
>  
> Maybe someone else on the list have an answer? If not, I will put the question to the TPR WG.
>  
> Regards,
> Steinar Grøtterød
>  
> *From: *CPWG <cpwg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>
> *Reply to: *Bill Jouris <b_jouris at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 10 November 2021 at 14:10
> *To: *Theo Geurts <atlarge at dcx.nl>, CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>, "gopal at annauniv.edu" <gopal at annauniv.edu>
> *Subject: *Re: [CPWG] Transfer Policy Review Team: Question about the 60-days lock
>  
> If ICANN does not have the contractual ability to require transfer back after unauthorized change, the contracts ought to be updated to provide for that. 
>  
> Bill Jouris
>  
> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021, 04:52:55 AM PST, gopal--- via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org> wrote:
>  
>  
> This is very good news.
> 
> The framework of operations for domain transfers seems to be quite 
> robust.
> 
> However, I note that ICANN does not have contractual authority to 
> require a registrar
> to transfer a domain name back to a different registrar or registrant, 
> even
> if a transfer was the result of an unauthorized access to your email 
> account or
> other login credentials.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> On 2021-11-10 17:52, Theo Geurts via CPWG wrote:
> > Compliance showed us the number of complaints regarding unauthorized
> > transfers yesterday. The numbers were low ranging from 1-20 a month,
> > with little to no indication of real domain name hijacks.
> > 
> > Account control panel compromises (a strong indicator) were absent for
> > most of the months.
> > 
> > Average domain transfers are around 400.000-500.000 a month.
> > 
> > Best.
> > 
> > Theo
> > 
> > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021, at 12:21 PM, Theo Geurts wrote:
> > 
> >> Compliance showed us the number of complaints regarding unauthorized
> >> transfers yesterday. The numbers were low ranging from 1-20 a month,
> >> with little to no indication of real domain name hijacks.
> >> 
> >> Account control panel compromises (a strong indicator) were absent
> >> for most of the months.
> >> 
> >> Average domain transfers are around 400.000-500.000 a month.
> >> 
> >> Best.
> >> 
> >> Theo
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Nov 10, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via
> >> CPWG wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I’d recommend you read the SSAC papers on hijacks as well as
> >>> some of the background materials for previous IRTP PDPs
> >>> 
> >>> A lot of the locks that exist at the moment are due to past
> >>> experience ie. Domains being hijacked etc.,
> >>> 
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> >>> FROM: CPWG <cpwg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Steinar
> >>> Grøtterød via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>
> >>> DATE: Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 17:45
> >>> TO: CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>
> >>> SUBJECT: [CPWG] Transfer Policy Review Team: Question about the
> >>> 60-days lock
> >>> 
> >>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from
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> >>> 
> >>> Dear all,
> >>> 
> >>> At the TPR WG Meeting on Nov 9, 2021, the 60-days locks were
> >>> discussed. The present policy – and the majority of Registry
> >>> Operators, have a 60-days transfer lock after the initial
> >>> registration of a domain name AND a 60-days lock after a
> >>> successful inter-registrar transfer.
> >>> 
> >>> Based on the discussion in the TPR WG, I would like to hear the
> >>> CPWG opinion by asking the following:
> >>> 
> >>> 1. Are we in favor of keeping the 60-days lock after the initial
> >>> registration of a domain name?
> >>> 
> >>> 2. Are we in favor of keeping the 60-days lock after a successful
> >>> transfer of a domain name?
> >>> 
> >>> 3. Could the above be optional?
> >>> 
> >>> 4. Should the Registrant has the option to opt-out?
> >>> 
> >>> I did not have the time to discuss this with the At-Large TPR
> >>> members and observers, hence will not ask for a poll. But
> >>> hopefully CPWG can express their view at the CPWG call on Nov 10,
> >>> 2021.
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> 
> >>> Steinar Grøtterød
> >>> 
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