[CPWG] Transfer Policy Review Team: Question about the 60-days lock

Thu Nov 11 19:36:26 UTC 2021

Michele,

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 6:52 PM Michele Neylon - Blacknight via CPWG <
cpwg at icann.org> wrote:

> If a domain moves from registrar A to registrar B getting that undone is
> one thing, but it becomes a lot more complex and messy when it’s hopped to
> another registrar.
>
> How do you prove who the registrant should be?
>
> What about domain name sellers who suffer remorse?
>
> What about other disputes?
>
>
>
> A lot of the issues that end up being pushed to ICANN aren’t ICANN issues
> at all and are disputes between 3rd parties. We see this all the time.
>

If the third parties are engaged in registering / re-registering domain
names - ccTLD or gTLDs delegated by ICANN - with or without ICANN
accreditation, what happens to the domain name due to a dispute between the
3rd parties is still an ICANN issue.

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> --
>
> Mr Michele Neylon
>
> Blacknight Solutions
>
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>
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> *From: *CPWG <cpwg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Theo Geurts via CPWG <
> cpwg at icann.org>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 10 November 2021 at 16:35
> *To: *Bill Jouris via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [CPWG] Transfer Policy Review Team: Question about the
> 60-days lock
>
> *[EXTERNAL EMAIL]* Please use caution when opening attachments from
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>
> Apart from IRTP-D policy (a sort of UDRP for transfers), there is no other
> ICANN process. But it is within the scope of this WG to discuss this and we
> already discussed briefly a process to reverse unauthorized transfers.
>
>
>
> Most of the unauthorized transfers are solved between the losing and
> gaining registrar. Again it does not happen much as these numbers are very
> low.
>
>
>
> Theo
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Steinar Grøtterød via CPWG wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
>
>
> A very good question (that I don’t know the answer to).
>
>
>
> Maybe someone else on the list have an answer? If not, I will put the
> question to the TPR WG.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steinar Grøtterød
>
>
>
> *From: *CPWG <cpwg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>
> *Reply to: *Bill Jouris <b_jouris at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 10 November 2021 at 14:10
> *To: *Theo Geurts <atlarge at dcx.nl>, CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>, "
> gopal at annauniv.edu" <gopal at annauniv.edu>
> *Subject: *Re: [CPWG] Transfer Policy Review Team: Question about the
> 60-days lock
>
>
>
> If ICANN does not have the contractual ability to require transfer back
> after unauthorized change, the contracts ought to be updated to provide for
> that.
>
>
>
> Bill Jouris
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021, 04:52:55 AM PST, gopal--- via CPWG <
> cpwg at icann.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> This is very good news.
>
> The framework of operations for domain transfers seems to be quite
> robust.
>
> However, I note that ICANN does not have contractual authority to
> require a registrar
> to transfer a domain name back to a different registrar or registrant,
> even
> if a transfer was the result of an unauthorized access to your email
> account or
> other login credentials.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
>
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> On 2021-11-10 17:52, Theo Geurts via CPWG wrote:
> > Compliance showed us the number of complaints regarding unauthorized
> > transfers yesterday. The numbers were low ranging from 1-20 a month,
> > with little to no indication of real domain name hijacks.
> >
> > Account control panel compromises (a strong indicator) were absent for
> > most of the months.
> >
> > Average domain transfers are around 400.000-500.000 a month.
> >
> > Best.
> >
> > Theo
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021, at 12:21 PM, Theo Geurts wrote:
> >
> >> Compliance showed us the number of complaints regarding unauthorized
> >> transfers yesterday. The numbers were low ranging from 1-20 a month,
> >> with little to no indication of real domain name hijacks.
> >>
> >> Account control panel compromises (a strong indicator) were absent
> >> for most of the months.
> >>
> >> Average domain transfers are around 400.000-500.000 a month.
> >>
> >> Best.
> >>
> >> Theo
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 10, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via
> >> CPWG wrote:
> >>
> >>> I’d recommend you read the SSAC papers on hijacks as well as
> >>> some of the background materials for previous IRTP PDPs
> >>>
> >>> A lot of the locks that exist at the moment are due to past
> >>> experience ie. Domains being hijacked etc.,
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Mr Michele Neylon
> >>>
> >>> Blacknight Solutions
> >>>
> >>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> >>>
> >>> https://www.blacknight.com/
> >>>
> >>> https://blacknight.blog/
> >>>
> >>> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> >>>
> >>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> >>>
> >>> Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
> >>>
> >>> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
> >>>
> >>> -------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
> >>> Park,Sleaty
> >>>
> >>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
> >>>
> >>> FROM: CPWG <cpwg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Steinar
> >>> Grøtterød via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>
> >>> DATE: Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 17:45
> >>> TO: CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>
> >>> SUBJECT: [CPWG] Transfer Policy Review Team: Question about the
> >>> 60-days lock
> >>>
> >>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from
> >>> unrecognised sources.
> >>>
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> At the TPR WG Meeting on Nov 9, 2021, the 60-days locks were
> >>> discussed. The present policy – and the majority of Registry
> >>> Operators, have a 60-days transfer lock after the initial
> >>> registration of a domain name AND a 60-days lock after a
> >>> successful inter-registrar transfer.
> >>>
> >>> Based on the discussion in the TPR WG, I would like to hear the
> >>> CPWG opinion by asking the following:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Are we in favor of keeping the 60-days lock after the initial
> >>> registration of a domain name?
> >>>
> >>> 2. Are we in favor of keeping the 60-days lock after a successful
> >>> transfer of a domain name?
> >>>
> >>> 3. Could the above be optional?
> >>>
> >>> 4. Should the Registrant has the option to opt-out?
> >>>
> >>> I did not have the time to discuss this with the At-Large TPR
> >>> members and observers, hence will not ask for a poll. But
> >>> hopefully CPWG can express their view at the CPWG call on Nov 10,
> >>> 2021.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Steinar Grøtterød
> >>>
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