[CPWG] [Ext] Re: 2022 IGF & New gTLD Question

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On Mon, 5 Dec 2022 at 12:40, Goran Marby via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
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> Thanks for copying me in to this discussion. We have a webinar planned for
> Dec 14 where we will present the ODA. Look forward to continue the
> discussion.
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> Regards
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> Goran Marby
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> *From: *"lists at christopherwilkinson.eu" <lists at christopherwilkinson.eu>
> *Reply-To: *Christopher Wilkinson <cw at christopherwilkinson.eu>
> *Date: *Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:24 PM
> *To: *"cpwg at icann.org" <cpwg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [CPWG] 2022 IGF & New gTLD Question
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> Good evening :
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> Our recent discussion of Göran Marby's comment at the IGF gives rise, to
> my mind, to several considerations.
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> The GNSO Sub Pro report on new gTLDs [gnso.icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/final-report-newgtld-subsequent-procedures-pdp-20jan21-en.pdf__;!!PtGJab4!5ohgu_ip-8nV9hnolce84Dk-sz_Yz9zTMiac4vq4kcRX721vMcbR9NTrYuMw22tzzoyMHJoy5XizZCyLfmlmQSsDi4D3XMHj5Q$>
> (pp 400+, see Annexes I & J) was issued in January 2021, nearly two years
> ago. It did not respond to the issues raised by the Dissenting Opinions
> posted.  ALAC has also sent to the Board extensive and detailed Advice on
> behalf of At Large, requiring several changes in the PDP Report's policy
> recommendations. Neither the Board nor GNSO have replied to or acted upon
> the ALAC Advice, albeit available on the ICANN website, translated into all
> our working languages.
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> Consequently I consider that the proposed ODP procedure is premature. I am
> sure that when the outstanding requests for amendments and other criticisms
> of the PDP Report have been taken fully into account, the eventual ODP work
> would be substantially changed. Meanwhile the announced ODP risks wasting a
> lot of our time.
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> Returning to the IGF and Göran's comment, I suggest that the context IS
> highly relevant, in relation to ICANN's obligations to the international
> community, in several respects.
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> The international, global, interest in the DNS is NOT limited to IDNs.
> But the PDP Report provides minimal extension of protection to geographical
> names. Specifically for Africa, there are large populations in vast areas
> who are currently restricted to a single local ccTLD.
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> In large parts of Asia, *idem*.
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> The previous Round of new gTLDs was very largely engrossed with additional
> English language names. That enhanced, and did not attenuate, the English
> language bias in the DNS. It has also been to a large extent an economic
> failure.
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> I have yet to hear any explanation or apology from the then Board Chair or
> CEO. We are still dealing with the fallout: lack of universal acceptance
> and concentration of the Registry/Registrar business through vertical
> integration and the acquisition of otherwise non-viable Registries. This
> was foreseeable at the time, and not acted  upon by GNSO or the Board.
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> Furthermore, should one wish to achieve the global balance, hinted at by
> Göran Marby's remarks, one would need significant Applicant Support, not
> only financial but also technical and human resources. The PDP was having
> none of this. If applicant support is as limited next time as it was last
> time, it risks comparable failure. This is also addressed in the ALAC
> Advice.
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> Regards
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> Christopher Wilkinson
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> On 3 Dec 2022, at 18:39, Jonathan Zuck via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org> wrote:
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> Of course, in the context of “new round enthusiasts” trying to motivate
> others, and using the prospect of IDNs to do so, it’s also understandable
> and carries with it the risks Jeff outlined.
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> *From: *CPWG <cpwg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Jeff Neuman via CPWG <
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> *Date: *Friday, December 2, 2022 at 1:36 PM
> *To: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>, Avri <
> avri at doria.org>, Bill Jouris <b_jouris at yahoo.com>
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> *Subject: *Re: [CPWG] 2022 IGF & New gTLD Question
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> Sounds like Michele and I are in agreement again this year.....wow,
> everyone remember 2022 :)
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> *From:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 2, 2022 11:59 AM
> *To:* Jeff Neuman <jeff at jjnsolutions.com>; Avri <avri at doria.org>; Bill
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> *Cc:* Cpwg <cpwg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [CPWG] 2022 IGF & New gTLD Question
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> Context is everything.
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> In the context of the IGF it makes perfect sense that Goran and other
> talking heads from ICANN would be pushing the global internet mantra.
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> I’ve no idea if Goran’s comments were scripted or off the cuff, but I’d
> give him the benefit of the doubt here – due to the context of the remarks.
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> From a technical perspective it’s very clear that IDNs still face a LOT of
> challenges – the user experience with using them is far from ideal, though
> it has improved over the past 10 years.
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> The UASG’s recent paper on web hosting tools underlines this:
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> https://uasg.tech/2022/10/testing-reveals-popular-web-hosting-tools-are-not-ua-ready/
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> regards
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> Michele
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> *From: *CPWG <cpwg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Jeff Neuman via CPWG <
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> *Date: *Friday, 2 December 2022 at 16:10
> *To: *Avri <avri at doria.org>, Bill Jouris <b_jouris at yahoo.com>
> *Cc: *Cpwg <cpwg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [CPWG] 2022 IGF & New gTLD Question
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> I agree.  Not the best choice of words in a global context, but probably
> made sense for where Goran was at the time.
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> But statements like this one can come back to bite the organization in the
> future.
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> Two examples,
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> the GNSO SubPro Working Group found that there should be certain
> preferences for IDN gTLD Applications when queuing them up for
> evaluation….(There is a formula built in to ensure that).  But statements
> like this could increase the demand on ICANN to move faster with a round
> only dedicated to IDN gTLDs.  But of course this was NOT accepted by the
> GNSO though it was discussed thoroughly.
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> IDN gTLDs present extremely complex problems with respect to variants at
> both the top and second levels.  This is becoming painfully clear to the
> IDN ePDP working group which has been tackling these issues now for quite
> some time and still has a long way to go.  At the past GNSO meeting the
> GNSO agreed to give the IDN ePDP much more time to complete its work which
> is now in 2 phases.  The first phase deals with most of the top-level
> issues, while the second phase deals with the second level.  The Top-Level
> phase is supposed to come out with an initial report in April, but I am not
> sure if it will meet that deadline.  But even if it does, we are talking
> about another year for a final report only on phase 1.  Phase 2 will not be
> completed until 2025.
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> So, although the rest of the process is moving forward with SubPro, there
> is a very real probability that some of the IDN gTLD issues may not be
> resolved by the time the new gTLD program is kicked off.
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> Statements like this one, however, may cause people to argue that no new
> round should be launched until all of the IDN issues are resolved and would
> point to statements like this one from Goran as justification.  After all,
> if the goal is to launch IDN gTLDs in the next round, how can you launch a
> next round if the IDN issues are not yet resolved?
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> Some food for thought.
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> Jeffrey J. Neuman
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> *From:* CPWG <cpwg-bounces at icann.org> *On Behalf Of *Avri via CPWG
> *Sent:* Friday, December 2, 2022 2:40 AM
> *To:* Bill Jouris <b_jouris at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Cpwg <cpwg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [CPWG] 2022 IGF & New gTLD Question
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> avri
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> On Dec 2, 2022 at 10:26 AM, <Bill Jouris via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>> wrote:
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> I read these remarks as simply saying that we are not doing another round
> now simply because we need more English language gTLDs.  We are doing it
> because we are now in a position to offer gTLDs which go beyond the English
> alphabet.
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> This does not seem like a policy statement, just a recognition of the
> timing and motivation of a new round.
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> Bill Jouris.
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> On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 1:18 PM, mike palage.com [palage.com]
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> <cpwg at icann.org> wrote:
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> Hello All,
>
> This week I have seen many ICANN community members participating, in
> person and virtually, at IGF 2022.  Today during the IGF 2022 Town Hall,
> "Launch of the Coalition for Digital Africa" there was a statement by Goran
> which made me do a double take. In response to a questions about new gTLDs
> Goran stated that "[t]he intention of the top level domains is not to have
> more English top level domains where you read left to right."
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> I have included the full scribed text below along with a link to the
> YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VXcWW74qG4 [youtube.com]
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> 4:34:42)
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> When exactly did this change in policy happen, I must have missed it. Any
> insight would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michael
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> "One more thing.  One other small thing that I can do, and it's one of the
> biggest things we have done in a long time.  We are going in the process
> where we want to have more top level domains, domain names and we are right
> now in the process after a long period of time from ICANN community work,
> where we -- on the 14th, we are going to start about the Next Generation of
> top level domains.  The intention of the top level domains is not to have
> more English top level domains where you read left to right.  And the
> intention is to make sure the top level domains are for regions, Africa is
> one we would like to talk about.  We would like to see more African top
> level domains operated here in Africa and that support your businesses and
> community and lives."
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