[CPWG] SSAC and Steve Crocker interventions - and the Global Public Interest

Wed Nov 1 12:11:08 UTC 2023

Dear Wolfgang,

definitely a topic which Chris could be focussing on.
I note he has joined the Organizational Effectiveness Committee, the 
Strategic Planning Committee and the Technical Committee.

But isn't this also a topic for the Accountability Mechanisms Committee?
León Sánchez (Chair)
Becky Burr
Sarah Deutsch
Patricio Poblete
Katrina Sataki

Kindest regards,

Olivier

On 01/11/2023 11:13, Wolfgang Kleinwächter wrote:
> Thx. Olivier,
> very helpful. Isn´t this a chance and challenge for Chris Buckridge?
> w
>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org> hat am 01.11.2023 
>> 11:52 CET geschrieben:
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> during the ICANN meeting, the ALAC met with the SSAC and touched on 
>> several topics.
>> A recording is linked below - but a particularly interesting 
>> intervention was that of Dr. Steve Crocker.
>>
>> *Joint Session: ALAC & SSAC*
>> *Session Details: https://sched.co/1T4Kr
>> Zoom Recording: 
>> https://icann.zoom.us/rec/share/wglfBxy1wiD1QWzk0yxQbBf5Wa-1ocJWLCcfc7SUCrra5zR9z5gozfOFXVp_3Qdp.saTcYJQPcR7nbXGM?startTime=1697973518000
>> *
>> Steve Crocker starts on: 00:08:56 - and touches on some interesting 
>> topics.
>> At 21:48 - Dr. Crocker provides his opinion about the WHOIS 
>> situation, which in his view has been broken for many years.
>> The "System", meaning the ICANN policy and implementation of the 
>> Registration Data Request System (RDRS) reflects concerns of the 
>> domain owner side, its Registrar, Registries, but very little on the 
>> Requester side.
>> And then the comments on: 26:24 tagged a personal opinion about the 
>> ICANN consensus process being flawed relating to this topic.
>>
>> These are significant words coming from an ex-Chair of ICANN who had 
>> access to all of the ICANN inside track.
>>
>> The SSAC also had a meeting with the ICANN Board. Again, several 
>> members of the SSAC raised some significant points - whereas the 
>> "consumer" which includes end users are faced with ridiculous process 
>> put in place by incorrect implementation of ICANN policy.
>>
>> *Joint Session: ICANN Board and SSAC*
>> *Session Details: https://sched.co/1T4Ht
>> Zoom Recording: 
>> https://icann.zoom.us/rec/share/EgEGgiDRs1DIr7arQu_UBULIw1k-zhsk9bouuxnufPYg5F-u_tSkpy4RbeEg1EjW.aCjin6h4k9w_hzrm?startTime=1698152456000
>> *
>> Several SSAC members noted a pattern of not involving the consumer in 
>> the design of these systems. A particular concern relates to "urgent 
>> requests" which the PDP has responded to as a response in a matter of 
>> days - not hours or minutes.
>>
>> Steve Crocker speaks at: 22:42
>> John Levine speaks at: 32:49
>>
>> Both Avri Doria and Edmon Chung provide very valuable input into the 
>> discussion - and explain that ultimately the Board is tasked with 
>> upholding the Global Public Interest.
>>
>> But the point is made that CISA DS ( 
>> https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/directives ) which was included 
>> initially as consensus policy does not appear to be in the contracts 
>> signed with ICANN - and the SSAC member asking the question (Benedict 
>> Addis - a technical officer in the Cyber and Forensics department of 
>> the Serious Organised Crime Agency (SOCA), a UK law enforcement body) 
>> regarding access to Registrant data in emergency situations - those 
>> of hostage taking or where there is a matter of life or death, does 
>> not seem particularly impressed.
>>
>> The ICANN Board - as Becky Burr said, agree that the system is not 
>> fit for purpose. "The Board will be bringing the urgent request issue 
>> back to the GNSO council".
>>
>> At 50:00 Rod Rasmussen spoke of "things that don't quite work right" 
>> - but is careful in mentioning SSAC are not picking on Contracted 
>> Parties.
>>
>> Sadly, two of the Board members that focussed in particular on the 
>> topic were Avri and Matthew and they have now left the Board. I hope 
>> other Board members will pick up the helm of the Public Interest 
>> because it becomes clear that there is a problem here.
>>
>> Could it be useful to take these problems as examples to support the 
>> need for an ICANN pilot Holistic Review?
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
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