<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">HI All,<div>I agree with David. But what OCTO and At Large can do is publish the blogs such as cloudflare which is written for simple explanations or disseminate and OCTO Blog to explain what happened and how it is not really a DNS issue.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Judith <br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPad<span style="font-size: 13pt;"> </span><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">judith@jhellerstein.com </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Skype ID:JudithHellerstein</span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 5, 2021, at 9:35 AM, David Mackey via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I'm afraid the initial reports by the mainstream media pointing a finger at DNS were a red herring. <div><br></div><div>If you dig down a level, you'll see that the DNS system was prevented from working because of a bad BGP configuration change, i.e. Facebook's IP network failed. </div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/10/facebook-instagram-whatsapp-and-oculus-are-down-heres-what-we-know/">When It's not DNS, it's BGP -- Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp and Oculus are Down</a> - Ars Technica</div><div><br></div><div>From what I understand, it appears Facebook's weak IP network architecture is to blame. It does not separate network admin traffic from service content traffic. It's common practice in telecom networks to build better, more robust failsafe mechanisms into their networks.</div><div><br></div><div>Conclusion: It's unlikely that the DNS system has anything to do with Facebook's outage. Facebook simply needs to improve it's networking infrastructure. That's definitely not an ICANN issue. </div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>David <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 8:21 AM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via CPWG <<a href="mailto:cpwg@icann.org">cpwg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Dear Christopher,<br>
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what is ICANN to do? Is it in its mission to be the "Defender of the
DNS"? I wonder...<br>
Perhaps ISOC could write something but from memory I can't recall
ICANN making such a statement when such incidents happened in the
past.<br>
Or perhaps it did? We could ask OCTO what's his point of view on
this.<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
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Olivier<br>
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<div>Thankyou. Noted.</div>
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<div>Please add to the agenda (first point):</div>
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<div>"The DNS and Social Media - what lessons to be
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<div>By way of explanation, this request is as much about
perception and PR as about the eventaul facts-. </div>
<div>Local Global Media (e.g. BBC) are attributing the
collapse of Facebook, Whatsap and Instagram to issues with the
Domain Nam System,. Affecting "billions" of users.</div>
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<div>If so, that requires an official response from
ICANN, now.</div>
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