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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">After listened to the recordings fro</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">m</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">the GNSO-TPR and the CPWG calls, I (still) have some problem understanding the ICANN Approved transfers and the Anti Trust questions you rise.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The present policy has a fixed fee (USD 50,000) for transfers of >50,000 domain name per TLD. The WG has in several meeting discussed removing this fee in the revisited policy. It
is worth noticing that the present policy was defined before the opening of the new gTLDs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">My understanding is that there is some consensus that if there should be a fee, the fee should be set by the registry operator.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">ICANN Approved transfers has two main categories:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Voluntary agreed transfers that falls under the definition of ICANN approved transfers.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Involuntary transfers that falls under the definition of ICANN approved transfers.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A typical scenario for a voluntary agreed transfers is when a registrar
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">(</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">
has acquired another registrar (B) and thereby want to transfer the domain names to the accreditation</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">(s)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> of registrar
A. Registrar A will do the calculation whether an ICANN bulk transfer will be beneficial based on the volume (and policy) and the fees set by the gTLDs. The alternative is to transfer the domain names in a regular inter-registrar transfer process (get auth
codes, initiate the transers etc).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A typical involuntary transfers is when a registrar has lost their accreditation (RAA) or the Registry Registrar Agreement</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">(s)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">
is terminated. In these scenarios, the domain names will be without a sponsorship, hence "someone" has to take the work to sponsor the namespace in question. Further, in these involuntary scenarios there often will be lack of support from the "losing" registrar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The discussions connected to involuntary transfers have touched "who should pay" the Registry operator(s) (ICANN or the selected registrar that takes the responsibility to get the
domain name sponsored) and what should it cost (a fixed fee </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">– set by the Registry Operator(s),
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">or "cost recovery").<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I have problems seeing the above as relevant
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">in</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> an Anti Trust discussion</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> connected
to ICANN Approved transfers</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For the domain name holders,
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">it is</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> important that their domain names get a sponsorship.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NO-BOK" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NO-BOK" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Steinar Grøtterød<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of mike palage.com via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 24 August 2023 at 13:57<br>
<b>To: </b>cpwg@icann.org <cpwg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[CPWG] Communication to ICANN GC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Hello All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">In connection with a discussion that took place on yesterday’s CPWG call, I decided to send the following communication to ICANN’s General Counsel in an individual
capacity. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Michael<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> Michael Palage
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 23, 2023 4:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Jeffrey <span style="mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Subject:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> Anti-Trust/Competition Concern wrt Transfer Policy Review PDP WG (22-Aug-2023 Call)<span style="mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Hello John,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">I would like to bring to your attention some concerns about the substance of yesterday’s Transfer Policy Review PDP WG. Although I raised this concern during today’s
At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG), this comment is being submitted in an individual capacity.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">During yesterday’s call registrars and registries were engaged in discussions regarding registry pricing (both floors and ceilings) in connection with ICANN Approved
Transfers. A copy of the recording is available here – </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/2023-08-22+Transfer+Policy+Review+PDP+WG+Call"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/2023-08-22+Transfer+Policy+Review+PDP+WG+Call</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Based on the portions of the call that I listened to live, I think ICANN staff did an appropriate job walking a very fine line when they referenced fees, including
I recall a suggestion to remove the fee reference from the existing policy. However, I believe there were multiple references to fee minimums and caps imposed by Registries that were concerning, especially when enforced via an ICANN policy document.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Recently, I have been active in other standards bodies and trade associations. I have noticed a growing best practice of these organizations to include a standard
reference to the organization’s anti-trust policy at the beginning of most calls/events. Therefore, I would like to propose the following action items:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">I do not believe that ICANN has a public Anti-Trust/Competition policy. My apologies if I have somehow
missed this. If one does exist I would greatly appreciate a pointer to this document. If one does not exist, then ICANN should strongly consider developing a public Anti-Trust / Competition policy.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">I believe the standard ICANN preamble text that is read before each session/call (e.g. “Those who take
part in the ICANN multistakeholder process are to comply with the expected standards of behavior” be amended to include a specific reference to the Anti-Trust / Competition policy when one is adopted.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">It would seem advisable for someone from ICANN legal to monitor these calls when the agenda specifically
envisions a discussion of fees as it did today. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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