[CWG-Stewardship] CWG - Public Comment summary for Wednesday December 3rd

[Greg Shatan]

I think that using early comments as a predictor or indicator of later
comments is actually a form of "privileging" those comments.  There is no
reason why early comments necessarily indicate what is to come.  If we were
to go on results to date, I would predict we will get crackpots with
years-old axes to grind and domainers who think there should be no IANA
transition.  I am fairly confident that is a terrible prediction.

If we do look at comments as they come in, we should do so on an FWIW basis
(i.e., "for what it's worth") and not ascribe any special powers of
prediction to these comments.  I intend to do so, but only to feel less
deluged.

Greg

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Milton:
>
> I am with Chuck. You are not obligated to read it. Also, I agree with you
> that we should wait until all comments are in before making any
> analysis/judgement. The good that I see in reading the comments as they
> come in is that it can give you an indication of what is to come. Obviously
> we had to see them all.
>
> -ed
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>
>>  And I agree with Greg agreeing with everybody. I’m in a really
>> agreeable mood today ;-)
>>
>> Seriously, my point was exactly that we need to avoid either sequence or
>> recency bias. When all the comments are in they should be processed and
>> analyzed as a whole, each comment treated equally. I am sorry that Bernard
>> doesn’t understand how sequence might privilege certain comments and I
>> won’t bore with the explanation.
>>
>>
>>
>> If others find the service useful I have no strong objection to them
>> reading it. However, I would ask the chairs to enforce a ban, punishable by
>> banishment to MySpace ;-), on anyone on this list saying, BEFORE the
>> deadline, “oh the public comments are saying X so we have to do Y or Z” or
>> any other form of premature analysis or conclusion-drawing from an
>> incomplete set of comments.
>>
>>
>>
>> --MM
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 3, 2014 11:57 AM
>> *To:* Gomes, Chuck
>> *Cc:* Milton L Mueller; Bernard Turcotte; cwg-stewardship at icann.org
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - Public Comment summary for
>> Wednesday December 3rd
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with everybody.  It's definitely helpful.  At the same time, we
>> should consciously avoid privileging early comments in any fashion.  If
>> these first submissions are any indication, that might not be too difficult.
>>
>>
>>
>> We should also avoid the opposite. I seem to recall discussions in my
>> college psych courses of two cognitive biases: the "primacy effect" and the
>> "recency effect." While this is not really the same thing, it may be a
>> useful analogy.  Milton cautions us against something analogous to the
>> "primacy effect," if I recall correctly.  We should also caution ourselves
>> against something like the "recency effect."  In other words, we should not
>> let the order in which comments come in influence our attention to them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  As you would probably guess my previous comment Milton, I disagree.  It
>> is not perfect but for me I find it helpful.  Anyone who doesn’t find it
>> helpful can ignore it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
>> cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Milton L Mueller
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 10:47 AM
>> *To:* Bernard Turcotte; cwg-stewardship at icann.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - Public Comment summary for
>> Wednesday December 3rd
>>
>>
>>
>> Appreciate the attempt but I am not sure this is a good idea. If this
>> public comment period is like every one I have ever seen before, 90% of the
>> comments will come on the day of the deadline or perhaps a day before. The
>> running log therefore kind of privileges early comments as they trickle in.
>> Then we will be hit with a deluge at the end anyway. Might be better to
>> look at all comments after they all come in.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org
>> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Bernard
>> Turcotte
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 3, 2014 9:35 AM
>> *To:* cwg-stewardship at icann.org
>> *Subject:* [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - Public Comment summary for Wednesday
>> December 3rd
>>
>>
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
>> This will be part of a daily log of public comments to assist us on in
>> keeping track of the various postings.
>>
>>
>>
>> Comments on how to improve this welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> B.,
>>
>>
>>
>> For December 2nd we have the following:
>>
>>
>>
>> *Date*
>>
>> *From*
>>
>> *Summary*
>>
>> *20141202*
>>
>> *Page Howe*
>>
>> *Current system with NTIA is doing a good job and wants it maintained.*
>>
>> *20141202*
>>
>> * Graham Schreiber*
>>
>> *Garbled paste into body of comment*
>>
>> *20141202*
>>
>> * Graham Schreiber*
>>
>> *Refers to a US supreme court case about .com (?) involving a number of
>> parties including ICANN and suggesting that the transition work not proceed
>> until this is resolved.*
>>
>> A cumulative of these summaries is provided as an Excel file - attached.
>>
>>
>>
>> B.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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