[CWG-Stewardship] Feedback on First Webinar

Tue Jun 16 18:19:21 UTC 2015

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr at difo.dk> wrote:

> Hi Milton
>
>  .......... that all the participants and members of the CWG will be
> ambassadors for the proposal as this is a product of the CWG.
>

+1 and i think this is quite important. Personally even though some part of
our proposal is not what i would have preferred, i still made sure to
explain the proposal as much as i can to any newbie/group of people that i
present it to.

Cheers!

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> Best,
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> Lise
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> *Fra:* cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
> cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] *På vegne af *Milton L Mueller
> *Sendt:* 16. juni 2015 19:05
> *Til:* jrobinson at afilias.info; 'Jordan Carter'; 'Olivier MJ
> Crepin-Leblond'
> *Cc:* cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> *Emne:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Feedback on First Webinar
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> Jonathan
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> A bit of a late intervention and I am about to get on a plane to BA so it
> may be too late, but I think Olivier is quite right (and if Olivier and I
> agree on something in CWG we cannot fail to be right…;-)
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> People who come to ICANN from the outside routinely tell me they are
> overwhelmed by process details and the acronyms associated with them, and
> it all seems quite meaningless to them or, at worse, a Kafkaesque devotion
> to process for its own sake.
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> Whatever you do with the presentation, please highlight what the proposal _
> *does*_ above all else; people really do not care that the ICG was formed
> after consultations in Singapore, that the enhanced accountability process
> was divided into 2 workstreams in November 2014, etc., etc.. They want to
> know what we proposed and why.
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> MM
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> *From:* cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [
> mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org
> <cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Robinson
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2015 4:58 AM
> *To:* 'Jordan Carter'; 'Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond'
> *Cc:* cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Feedback on First Webinar
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> Olivier & Jordan,
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> This is food for thought and agreed, we should try to improve the
> materials ahead of BA if necessary. We are working flat-out and I am sure
> the presentation is not fully refined at this stage.
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>
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> That said, we in the CWG  have all come on a journey to get to where we
> are now and many of those attending the webinar haven’t been alongside us
> all the way.
>
> Therefore, I think we do have to do some work to bring them along that
> journey in order to fully understand how and why we got to the current
> place which is a compromise for all of us.
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>
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> I think that there is a third and critical point. That is the role of
> members (and participants) to help communicate and explain the work –
> journey & output- of the group. Especially to those organisations that put
> appointed members onto the CWG.
>
> We need your help to communicate key points such as outlined by Olivier
> below. Please do assist in addition to helping us (chairs & staff) in our
> roles.
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> Thanks,
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> Jonathan
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> *From:* Jordan Carter [mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz
> <jordan at internetnz.net.nz>]
> *Sent:* 11 June 2015 08:52
> *To:* Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
> *Cc:* cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Feedback on First Webinar
>
>
>
> Dear all,dear Olivier
>
>
>
> I would like to just add my voice on the first point - it is my assumption
> that these webinars are aimed mainly at people who are coming new to the
> material and who will be looking to understand what they will approve - or
> not approve - in BA.
>
>
>
> If that assumption is right, I do urge that the format be changed so that
> the focus is on the substance of the proposal. Taking time on the process
> does not seem to be the right focus at this stage, for the audience.
>
>
>
> bests,
>
> Jordan
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> On 11 June 2015 at 19:42, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> First, thanks to Lise for taking us through the slide deck and making a
> complex proposal a lot more understandable.
> Now for my comments:
>
> - We have spent again around 30 minutes on the process reaching this
> point and a much smaller time on the contents of the proposal itself. I
> think that by this stage we should have a lot more detail in the actual
> explanation of the contents of the proposal, describing CSC, IFR, the
> PTI Board, SCWG, the escalation process (there is no slide showing all
> of the various levels of escalation and remedials) from the time a
> complaint starts and the various levels at which the complaint can be
> addressed. IMHO *this* should be the meat of the presentation.
> - Questions like "what happens to PTI if another IANA Functions Operator
> is selected after separation?" are bound to come up recurrently and we
> completely forgot to mention that this is just the Names and the
> Protocols & Numbers will likely remain with PTI through their contract
> with ICANN. This is not made clear at all that an IFR is only to do with
> Names.
> - We did not emphasize the technical nature of the whole ecosystem and
> it therefore feels like a lot of these processes are political - and
> this is not inspiring confidence. Emphasis on Service Level
> Expectations; emphasis on Operational Continuity; emphasis on Stability
> of the DNS. How are all of the processes and groups proposed
> contributing to this emphasis?
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Olivier
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